Topic: variances in outboards (Read 1100 times)

dave the dope man · « **on:** January 10, 2005, 08:24:34 PM »

This is basically for Rowdy, however I encourage anyone else to jump right in here.. What is the difference between the 250 hp XS, 250 Optimax, 250 XB motors?

My granddad used to tell me "the more you add to soemthing, the more there is to go wrong."

So what is the difference and what would a person need in each of the above engines...........Dave $:-\$

Rowdy · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2005, 05:31:24 AM »

The 250XS is the latest addition to Mercury's emmission friendly optimax, there has been more refinements to this motor over the optimax, from what they have seen with areas that they could improve on with the Optimax. They are hand built with there racing motor badges. I have yet to figure out all this hand built business Mercury likes to advertize so much about LOL, since all OB motors and every brand are hand built. I have yet to see anyone have a totally automated plant.

The Optimax 250 still uses the technology of the Optimax itself, I know that Mercury has made other refinements to this technology from the things they see with the repeated trouble. This will be true with anyone in the manufacturing process, they use the failures in the R&D deptment to help further on the product.
So basically, the Opti will still have its basic technology and principle of operation, with more attention to the details that have been furthered along in the way of progress.

The 250XB is of Mercurys older technology, EFI, this has been a technology for Mercury that has fuel injection from the front of the motor and drafted through out the crankcase area and into the combustion area, instead of the Direct injection of the 250XS and the Optimax, which inject fuel straight into the combustion chamber with the compression stroke.

Now, something needed to be mentioned here so as to try and understand all this will be the Gov't involvement with all OB motor manufacturing. The Gov't has emmission standards that have been put in place since the Clinton years, all these emmission standards have made all the different technology's of OB motors literally leap forward way ahead of the regular time frame in which they had been in since the OB motors conception.

So, as this all shakes out and we all see the changes to our OB motors, the sceem of things here is all played around a few challenges for the manufacture. First off they all have to make a profit!!! That is a given as with most business. To aid in this, Manufactures will make the changes that are required to further along the product so as to meet the EPA guidelines, what you need to understand here is, that is not how you make money so much anway. The older technolgy that has seen some service as well as the refinements, manufactures would be able to spend less time and money on and see a higher profit margin.

The problem with that would be meeting the EPA guidelines, as they increase the emmission standards, the older motors will not meet that. So the manufactures will have to spend some of there budget toward improvements in newer technology as well as refinements on the older.

This is where it gets a little tricky too. The manufacture has to build the older technology so as to make ends meet, or at least try to make ends meet. The older technology has less time in them from year to year as they will already know how and what to do as well as have the tooling to build these.

What they have to do though, is make an investment into the future with the new technology as well as our enviorment. Less emmissions is the name of the game nowdays. We all have faced many changes in the last 10 years with a global economy and trying to be more friendly to our planet. If we all could just figure out how to get money out of the way. The most greedy of us all though would never hear of it LOL...

So what I am going the long way around to try and explain here is the manufactures are limited to a certain amount of motors that emit a certain amount of emmissions into our atmosphere. Problem with all that is the money, so the manufactures will try to balance the spending budgets with the older technology and yet still make the investment into the future with the more expensive newer technology that burns cleaner that they will all have to make or go out of business.

We will all see this all done by putting the motors into engine groups or families as they are referred to. These engine families are established by a certain catagory for each. The manufacture will try to get a family that is all lean burning and clean enough to not only meet the guidelines of the EPA, but a family they can slip a motor or two into this lean clean group, that, lets just say that is not so lean and clean; and the family as a group still meet the guideline of the EPA. This allows the manufacture to make enough motors as a whole to make budget. Make sense? Everybody still with me and did I make any darned sense of all this???

Basically, the manufactures could make budget on the older technology and things would be easier to do so with that except for the fact that the older technology is not long for this earth, cause they won't meet the EPA guidelines. So they try to develope the newer stuff that will, and still make ends meet. We the consumer all win here as the product is improved.

So, as with Mercury and the three motors of question here, we have three different models, instead of maybe just two. This will be how the politics of making budget and meeting the guidelines of the EPA will be played in the political arena of the global world market. At least for now LOL. As all the motors get better and burn cleaner and if we as a consumer like them and find use and a fit for them in our lives and can afford them we all as this one global market place make ends meet. That is if we don't all kill each other first LOL...

Now one last thing here, to help the manufacture sell all this new technology and the expense of this, our Gov't allows for the price of fuel to raise to the prices we will all want the newer products that use less oil and fuel, let alone all the cool new features the new OB's have. Looking back at what I have tried to type out here and make sense of this with my mis-spelled words and long way around this all, looks to me like a dog eat dog world LOL... The older I get the smaller the world too.

Sometimes thats good and sometimes its not so good. You guys have a good day and be good to each other, we all live on the same planet, and I fail to see why we all can't be civil to each other, well other than the money still in the way.
Laterz

Rowdy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2005, 05:36:50 AM »

You know how darned early it was when I started this last post??? What a question for this early in the morning dude LOL...That should about do me for the rest of the day, so now you will not have to worry with Rowdy on here so much today as I am fried now LOL. Well maybe boiled and gumbo'ed anyway LOL...
Gumbo'd ain't a bad thing right now anyway, I am hungry and nothing I like better than killer gumbo. A body my size would sure make for a big pot of that though.
I got to have some coffee...

Trey · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2005, 08:36:16 AM »

Rowdy,

You sound like you're runnin' on fumes! Ramblin' Rowdy! Get you some coffee and recage yourself; it's gonna be a long day.

Trey

Rowdy · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2005, 08:57:25 AM »

Dang dude, who ever said they let me out of the cage anyway LOL... You guys ease up on me now, will ya??? I am tender LOL...

dave the dope man · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2005, 05:25:35 PM »

Rowdy, Dude, your'e the man...I kept up with ya most of the way,,got side tracked,,,caught up again, and finished out with a good understanding of what you said...Thanks for the run down. I figured it was about money, both for the Gvmt and the mfg's. It will most likely be reflected in the pricing at the dealership level.. Again thanks Rowdy, I knew you would have the answer..........Dave

Mike Cork · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2005, 05:31:31 PM »

Rowdy thanks for the information. It never ceases to amaze me at how politics get wrap up in absolutely everything.

Rowdy · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2005, 08:17:54 PM »

Yeap, if we could ever figure out how to end the money problems for everyone or better yet just do away with that sort of thing and the having to have something to use to buy things we either need or want, then get ride of all the politicians; man what a place it might be here on this little planet. Even if we did all that right, I figure someone would be greedy enough to screw that up for us as well LOL...

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BASS Federation Ultimate Basser Location: North West Louisiana Offline Gender: Posts: 1,655 Where are we going again???? variances in outboards « on: January 10, 2005, 08:24:34 PM » This is basically for Rowdy, however I encourage anyone else to jump right in here.. What is the difference between the 250 hp XS, 250 Optimax, 250 XB motors? My granddad used to tell me "the more you add to soemthing, the more there is to go wrong." So what is the difference and what would a person need in each of the above engines...........Dave $:-\$ Logged Siggy by DundeeMike Rowdy Smallmouth Location: Texas Offline Gender: Posts: 234 FnG Re: variances in outboards « Reply #1 on: January 11, 2005, 05:31:24 AM » The 250XS is the latest addition to Mercury's emmission friendly optimax, there has been more refinements to this motor over the optimax, from what they have seen with areas that they could improve on with the Optimax. They are hand built with there racing motor badges. I have yet to figure out all this hand built business Mercury likes to advertize so much about LOL, since all OB motors and every brand are hand built. I have yet to see anyone have a totally automated plant. The Optimax 250 still uses the technology of the Optimax itself, I know that Mercury has made other refinements to this technology from the things they see with the repeated trouble. This will be true with anyone in the manufacturing process, they use the failures in the R&D deptment to help further on the product. So basically, the Opti will still have its basic technology and principle of operation, with more attention to the details that have been furthered along in the way of progress. The 250XB is of Mercurys older technology, EFI, this has been a technology for Mercury that has fuel injection from the front of the motor and drafted through out the crankcase area and into the combustion area, instead of the Direct injection of the 250XS and the Optimax, which inject fuel straight into the combustion chamber with the compression stroke. Now, something needed to be mentioned here so as to try and understand all this will be the Gov't involvement with all OB motor manufacturing. The Gov't has emmission standards that have been put in place since the Clinton years, all these emmission standards have made all the different technology's of OB motors literally leap forward way ahead of the regular time frame in which they had been in since the OB motors conception. So, as this all shakes out and we all see the changes to our OB motors, the sceem of things here is all played around a few challenges for the manufacture. First off they all have to make a profit!!! That is a given as with most business. To aid in this, Manufactures will make the changes that are required to further along the product so as to meet the EPA guidelines, what you need to understand here is, that is not how you make money so much anway. The older technolgy that has seen some service as well as the refinements, manufactures would be able to spend less time and money on and see a higher profit margin. The problem with that would be meeting the EPA guidelines, as they increase the emmission standards, the older motors will not meet that. So the manufactures will have to spend some of there budget toward improvements in newer technology as well as refinements on the older. This is where it gets a little tricky too. The manufacture has to build the older technology so as to make ends meet, or at least try to make ends meet. The older technology has less time in them from year to year as they will already know how and what to do as well as have the tooling to build these. What they have to do though, is make an investment into the future with the new technology as well as our enviorment. Less emmissions is the name of the game nowdays. We all have faced many changes in the last 10 years with a global economy and trying to be more friendly to our planet. If we all could just figure out how to get money out of the way. The most greedy of us all though would never hear of it LOL... So what I am going the long way around to try and explain here is the manufactures are limited to a certain amount of motors that emit a certain amount of emmissions into our atmosphere. Problem with all that is the money, so the manufactures will try to balance the spending budgets with the older technology and yet still make the investment into the future with the more expensive newer technology that burns cleaner that they will all have to make or go out of business. We will all see this all done by putting the motors into engine groups or families as they are referred to. These engine families are established by a certain catagory for each. The manufacture will try to get a family that is all lean burning and clean enough to not only meet the guidelines of the EPA, but a family they can slip a motor or two into this lean clean group, that, lets just say that is not so lean and clean; and the family as a group still meet the guideline of the EPA. This allows the manufacture to make enough motors as a whole to make budget. Make sense? Everybody still with me and did I make any darned sense of all this??? Basically, the manufactures could make budget on the older technology and things would be easier to do so with that except for the fact that the older technology is not long for this earth, cause they won't meet the EPA guidelines. So they try to develope the newer stuff that will, and still make ends meet. We the consumer all win here as the product is improved. So, as with Mercury and the three motors of question here, we have three different models, instead of maybe just two. This will be how the politics of making budget and meeting the guidelines of the EPA will be played in the political arena of the global world market. At least for now LOL. As all the motors get better and burn cleaner and if we as a consumer like them and find use and a fit for them in our lives and can afford them we all as this one global market place make ends meet. That is if we don't all kill each other first LOL... Now one last thing here, to help the manufacture sell all this new technology and the expense of this, our Gov't allows for the price of fuel to raise to the prices we will all want the newer products that use less oil and fuel, let alone all the cool new features the new OB's have. Looking back at what I have tried to type out here and make sense of this with my mis-spelled words and long way around this all, looks to me like a dog eat dog world LOL... The older I get the smaller the world too. Sometimes thats good and sometimes its not so good. You guys have a good day and be good to each other, we all live on the same planet, and I fail to see why we all can't be civil to each other, well other than the money still in the way. Laterz Logged Rowdy Smallmouth Location: Texas Offline Gender: Posts: 234 FnG Re: variances in outboards « Reply #2 on: January 11, 2005, 05:36:50 AM » You know how darned early it was when I started this last post??? What a question for this early in the morning dude LOL...That should about do me for the rest of the day, so now you will not have to worry with Rowdy on here so much today as I am fried now LOL. Well maybe boiled and gumbo'ed anyway LOL... Gumbo'd ain't a bad thing right now anyway, I am hungry and nothing I like better than killer gumbo. A body my size would sure make for a big pot of that though. I got to have some coffee... Logged Trey Smallmouth Location: Charleston, SC Offline Gender: Posts: 316 Let's go fishin' ! Re: variances in outboards « Reply #3 on: January 11, 2005, 08:36:16 AM » Rowdy, You sound like you're runnin' on fumes! Ramblin' Rowdy! Get you some coffee and recage yourself; it's gonna be a long day. Trey Logged Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and you'll never see him again! Rowdy Smallmouth Location: Texas Offline Gender: Posts: 234 FnG Re: variances in outboards « Reply #4 on: January 11, 2005, 08:57:25 AM » Dang dude, who ever said they let me out of the cage anyway LOL... You guys ease up on me now, will ya??? I am tender LOL... Logged dave the dope man TCTC, BASS, La. BASS Federation Ultimate Basser Location: North West Louisiana Offline Gender: Posts: 1,655 Where are we going again???? Re: variances in outboards « Reply #5 on: January 11, 2005, 05:25:35 PM » Rowdy, Dude, your'e the man...I kept up with ya most of the way,,got side tracked,,,caught up again, and finished out with a good understanding of what you said...Thanks for the run down. I figured it was about money, both for the Gvmt and the mfg's. It will most likely be reflected in the pricing at the dealership level.. Again thanks Rowdy, I knew you would have the answer..........Dave Logged Siggy by DundeeMike Mike Cork Father Time Admin Location: NW Louisiana Offline Gender: Posts: 37,315 Get the Net it's a Hawg Re: variances in outboards « Reply #6 on: January 11, 2005, 05:31:31 PM » Rowdy thanks for the information. It never ceases to amaze me at how politics get wrap up in absolutely everything. Logged I'd like to say Thank You to the companies that ensure I do my best: Legend Boats - Mercury Marine - Power Pole Dobyns Rods - Elite Tungsten Rowdy Smallmouth Location: Texas Offline Gender: Posts: 234 FnG Re: variances in outboards « Reply #7 on: January 11, 2005, 08:17:54 PM » Yeap, if we could ever figure out how to end the money problems for everyone or better yet just do away with that sort of thing and the having to have something to use to buy things we either need or want, then get ride of all the politicians; man what a place it might be here on this little planet. Even if we did all that right, I figure someone would be greedy enough to screw that up for us as well LOL... 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