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Rod material ratings ?
« on: March 15, 2010, 06:17:14 AM »

I understand that rods are rated by the content of graphite carbon in the blank.But some rods say something like 57 million modulus,some will say IM-7,8,9 and yet others say 30 ton graphite construction.Can someone explain these different ratings to me.Why is there not a standard for rod ratings
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Re: Rod material ratings ?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 02:11:35 AM »

thats a very good question...  

did a little digging...this is what I found so far on the web.   These might not answer your questions 100%, but hopefully it will help some.

http://www.lamiglas.com/materials.php has a little bit of info.

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Graphite-Fishing-Rod-Blanks-Are-Made&id=1359034

and a article by Gary Loomis on FLW from 2003:

Graphite rods

Gary Loomis helps explain the differences and dispel a few myths

By Craig Baugher - 19.Dec.2003


Ever since the introduction of the first graphite rod by Fenwick in 1974, myths about this mysterious material have been growing and circulating the globe like wildfire. How many times have you been told that the difference between IM6, IM7 and IM8 is the difference in quality standard, or that the higher the modulus, the more graphite was used to produce the rod?

With there being so many misconceptions surrounding this material, Gary Loomis – one of the world’s foremost authorities on graphite rod design and founder of the G.Loomis Corp. – agreed to lend his expertise to eliminate these myths.

Loomis began by explaining that the identifiers IM6, IM7 and IM8 are the trade numbers used by the Hexcel Corp. to identify their product and is not an industry quality or material standard, although the Hercules Fibers produced by the Hexcel Corp. are the benchmark that most companies use to compare their materials. The confusion is compounded because a number of rod manufacturers use materials produced by companies other than Hexcel and yet identify their rods as being IM6, IM7 and IM8, which by itself means nothing.

What an angler needs to understand is how the word “modulus” pertains to graphite rods. Modulus is not a thread count, as many would have you believe. Modulus basically equates to stiffness. The higher the modulus, the stiffer the material is by weight, meaning less material is needed to achieve the same stiffness of lower-modulus materials. This results in a lighter product.

“You have to remember, weight is the deterrence to performance,” Loomis said.
Stiffness also equates to responsiveness – that is, the rod’s ability to store and release energy. The higher the modulus, the faster and more consistent a rod is able to store and release its energy, which enables an angler to cast farther and more accurately.

But you cannot talk about modulus without including strain rate, or the measured strength of the material. While modulus is reported in millions, strain rate is reported in thousands. An acceptable strain rate for a fishing rod is 680,000 or higher. A graphite rod made from IM6 Hercules Fibers will have a modulus of 36 million and a strain rate of 750,000.

With the original materials used for graphite rods, as the modulus rate increased, the strain rate would decrease, resulting in the rods being more acceptable to failures because of brittleness. However, through the advancements of materials, technology and engineering design, companies are able to produce high-modulus, high-strain-rate rods. These new high-tech fishing rods are super-light, responsive, and extremely sensitive and strong.

But the misconception of brittleness still plagues them, and the reason for this is because as the modulus gets higher, the less material is needed and therefore used. This means that the wall thickness in the blank, which is basically a hollow tube, is thinner. “Remember what I said before – weight is the deterrence to performance,” Loomis said, and went on to tell a story:

“I had a gentleman come in with a fly rod that broke near the handle, and he was asking for a new rod. I examined his broken rod and knew from the break – it was splintered – that his rod broke from abuse. So I asked him how it broke, and the man, being sincere, told me it broke while fighting a fish. I explained that it would be nearly impossible for the rod to break this way. But to be fair, (I told him) if he could break another rod the same way, I would give him three brand-new rods of his choice, but if he couldn’t, that he would pay for the repairs, and the man agreed.

“So I took him out in the back by the shipping docks and handed him an identical rod. With the rod in his hands, I grabbed the blank and asked him to apply the same pressure he was using when it broke. The man was applying a great deal of stress on the rod, and it wasn’t breaking. So I asked if he wanted to apply even more pressure, and the man responded that he didn’t think he could, but he insisted that is how his rod broke.

“So then I told him, ‘We are going to break this rod, so that it breaks just like yours did.’ I then laid the blank on a rubber mat and I kneeled on it by the handle, and we tried it again but it didn’t break. Then I laid it on the concrete and kneeled on it. Examining the rod, you couldn’t see it was damaged, but this time the rod broke just like his did, and the man simply asked where he needed to pay to get his rod repaired.”

The point of this story is that these high-modulus, high-strain-rate, thin-walled rods are extremely strong and are highly unlikely ever to break under normal use. Almost all rods are damaged by other means – an angler accidentally stepping on them, hitting them against a hard surface while casting, or storing them where a toolbox or some other heavy object can slide into them. Then, with the damage done, the rod collapses while under the stress of fighting a fish. So while high-modulus, high-strain-rate rods are not brittle, they do require more care in storage and transport.

There is a graphite rod made for every angler and their lifestyle. Composite blends (a mix of graphite and fiberglass) can take a lot of abuse. Intermediate modulus rods (33 million to 42 million) with high strain rates (700,000 or higher) still offer a lot of sensitivity and responsiveness and are quite durable. The high-modulus, high-strain-rate, extremely light rods are usually a rod manufacturer’s high-end product. These rods are the ultimate in responsiveness and sensitivity, and they cost a lot more than the average fishing rod. As with anything that costs this type of money, you would want to take a lot better care of it, including using protective cases to store and transport them around.

Hopefully, you now have a much better understanding of graphite as it pertains to fishing rods, and as a result, understand the care you need to employ with their use, storage and transport. Finally, armed with your newfound knowledge, you will be able to make a much more informed decision the next time you purchase your next graphite rod.




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Re: Rod material ratings ?
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 06:30:26 AM »

Great stuff Crash,Here is more info that I found..
im-6=32 mil mod=1st generation
im-7=42 mil mod= 2nd generation
im-8=56 mil mod=3rd generation

alot of this has to do with the size of the graphite fibers in the weave. the finer the fibers the higher the modulus.But the more brittle the rod will be.

there is only 4 strains of graphite material. when rods claim to be 60 plus modulus it has nothing to do with the graphite fibers. all rods are made out of graphite cloth impregnated with resins. they can mix different resins like epoxie and make a harder resin. put that in the cloth and it will make a harder (higher) modulus. harder means more brittle and less flex before failure.

just like steel, soft steel can be bent quite readily. if you temper it, it will only bend so far before it will break. same concept., however the harder it is, it allows better transmission of vibration because the molecules are compacted tighter together
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Re: Rod material ratings ?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 09:50:37 PM »

THis is why I love this site.  Great job bringing us this info.  Thank you both.
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Re: Rod material ratings ?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2010, 03:12:25 PM »

I was going to comment but the link to what Gary said just about covers it.
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Re: Rod material ratings ?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2010, 06:40:37 PM »

SO,What have I learned.I use to think that the higher the IM rating the better the rod.I now know that that is not true. Well, in some cases you are, and in some cases you arent. The fact is though that the difference between IM6 and IM7 is nothing in terms of modulus, and compared to IM8 it's only slightly higher. Wow...look at that IM9 actually has a lower modulus than IM8...go figure Now, many companies are using fibers with a much higher modulus, like 57 and even higher, however these fibers don't necessarily use the IM ratings. So, whenever you see a fiber with an IM rating...BUYER BEWARE! THE HIGHER THE IM RATING, DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THE HIGHER THE MODULUS!!!

This is from Andy Deer who is in the blank distribution business
The point is this folks...just because you have a blank made from a high modulus fiber, doesn't means it's a good rod! And vice versa, just because you have a blank with a low modulus...even the original fiber blanks were made with (33 million) doesn't mean it's a bad or outdated rod. It's all about what the designer does with it.

I know there are some of you that may already know this, but judging from the amount of calls I get on a daily basis from folks who ONLY want IM7 or IM8, but can't really tell you why, I have to believe they don't really know what they are talking about at all. They've just been sucked into the marketing machine that leads people to believe that the higher the IM rating, the lighter and more sensetive the material, which is not always the case.
Be forewarned that there is A LOT more to graphite blank construction, performance, quality, sensetivity, weight etc... than just what modulus the fiber is. There are lots of other variables like flag patterns, and wall thickness, and resin systems, and mandrel design....It's all about the talent of the designer, and what he is able to do in terms of the sum of those variables...not just the friggin modulus!


Simply put, graphite is a carbon fiber material containing micro graphite crystals. When these are combined with certain resins and textile materials, they produce the graphite filaments that are used in rod blank production.
What Is Modulus/IM and Ton Rating?
Modulus is the term referring to the elasticity of the graphite. It is the relationship between stress (the applied force per square inch) and strain (the amount of deformation that the force causes per square inch). You can think of modulus as stiffness. The IM and/or Ton rating refers to the overall modulus of the material.
Rating Chart
IM-6 Graphite = 30+ Ton Material (Standard Modulus)
IM-7 Graphite = 35+ Ton Material (Intermediate Modulus)
IM-8 Graphite = 40+ Ton Material (Intermediate/High Modulus)
IM-10 Graphite = 54+ Ton Material (High Modulus)
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Re: Rod material ratings ?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2010, 01:28:31 AM »

great info.  I actually learned a lot by your first question,,,,digging up stuff and reading what you posted.  This was a great learning thread  ~c~
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