Topic: 2010 Census form, How much are you going to fill out? (Read 1725 times)

BamaCoast · « **on:** March 17, 2010, 10:17:03 AM »

We got our a few days ago and are filling it out today. As for me it will be very limited information. They don't need to know if my house is paid for or race or many other questions it ask. Here is something I found that is interesting.

To Whom it May Concern,
Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address. My 'name, "woops", age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure' have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3. In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.
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Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)

'Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,and it cannot be too often repeated,that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it's employees of the sanctity of a man's home and the privacies of his life. As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, 'of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.''

Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.

screwballl · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2010, 11:07:47 AM »

I just wrote in the first box: 4
Everything else is volunteering information that I choose not to disclose, and am not required to release by law (as stated above).

Creel Limit Zero · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2010, 11:18:23 AM »

Why wouldn't you fill it out? Why is everyone always assuming that the Government it out to get them. The information helps them with a lot of different information and study's that do make a difference in the laws that are passed. I don't see how it is going to hurt me to let them know that information, IRS and Social Security already has it. All it does is give one database a central place to be able to run different queries and a run down of the socio-economics of all the different areas of the country. They are going to either use accurate data (folks report everything) or an estimation based on what has been reported in the area. Why not give them accurate information?

BamaCoast · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2010, 11:33:21 AM »

I am not giving it because it none of the government business. They do not have some of the information requested and they don't need it. If they already have this information they can get it from their own database.

Camden · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2010, 12:02:13 PM »

How much ever you do decide to fill out I do ask that you at least try to fill out part of it.

they estimate that 46 million people will not fill it out. it will cost on average $50 per household to try and get the simple specifics from the form. this will cost an estimated 2.3 billion dollars. thats friggin ridiculus.
of course they do hire civilians to do the door to door. so maybe no one should fill it out so we can get the government to put some money into this economy.

Creel Limit Zero · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2010, 12:50:35 PM »

There are so many things that are derived from the data that comes from the Census. It helps them decide on roads, HubZones, school zones, taxes, laws, assistance programs, small business loans, urban development programs, etc... There is a ton of different laws and taxes that are based on the figures that come from this Census information. I just think it is foolish of you to not fill out the information. Boycotting it is just costing more money, it's not doing anything but costing more time and money. Fact is, if you love America you would want them to get the data as accurate as possible. Because of all the Government's faults, this is one of the few things they do that actually serves a purpose.

BamaCoast · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2010, 01:52:49 PM »

I not sure if anyone is boycotting just not supplying them with information they do not need. How does your race or whether your home is paid for make you qualify for roads, taxes etc.

Camden · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2010, 02:02:55 PM »

honestly im not for sure how the other information pertains to roads or taxes. but i do know that from a business standpoint it does help us. before we build a new location we do analysis of the area. population numbers, average household income and sort but race im still not for sure why they need other to keep a record of it.

Groma · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2010, 02:20:17 PM »

Why did obama fill the need to take control of the census bureau andmove it to the White House. This was done in some of the first days he was in office. It is suppose to be kept neutral ,not controlled for political gain. "ACORN"

Ron Fogelson · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2010, 02:37:12 PM »

Quote from: BamaCoast on March 17, 2010, 01:52:49 PM

I not sure if anyone is boycotting just not supplying them with information they do not need. How does your race or whether your home is paid for make you qualify for roads, taxes etc.

Or laws! How does my race have anything to do with how much taxes is spent in our area or what laws are going to be passed or how much $$ should be spent on roads or schools.

On the front of the mailing is states in bold capital letters "YOUR RESPONCE IS REQUIRED BY LAW" but than one is asked questions out side of the scope of authority allowed by law.

Question#3
Is this house, apartment, or mobile home-
Mark X ONE box.
Owned by you or someone in this household with a mortgage or loan? Include home equity loans.
Owned by you or someone in this household free and clear (without a mortgage or loan)?
Rented
Occupied without payment or rent?

Question#4 what is your phone number? We may call if we don't understand an answer.

Question#5 What is your Name
Last
First

NOTE Please answer BOTH Question 8 about Hispanic origin and Question 9 about race. For this census, Hispanic origans are not races

Didn't want to start an argument on this whole thing but I don't understand why they would need stuff like this on us. What if next time they want to know who has any weapons or what religion you are or if you are in a mix race relationship. All of that info could be used as data,,,,, until one day it isn't just data but a reason to take a deep look into your way of life.

Groma · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2010, 03:00:27 PM »

If Washington tried 200 years ago to get away with crapping on the Constitution like they're doing today ,the shooting would have already started !

Adam · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2010, 03:07:38 PM »

Quote from: Groma on March 17, 2010, 03:00:27 PM

If Washington tried 200 years ago to get away with crapping on the Constitution like they're doing today ,the shooting would have already started !

the problem with that in today's world is it wouldn't work and everyone would be slaughtered the US Military is way to powerful a force to try that.

Tritonbmc · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2010, 03:08:55 PM »

The only thing the census is supposed to be used for is equal representation in congress based on population in an area. Other than that, everything else they ask is used for buying votes!!! If you really want to get me going, just start talking about the commercial on TV that states "it's the only way to make sure you get your fair share"!!! Fair share my butt, I want my taxes back

Nothing is fair about forcing me to support someone else I don't even know

Tritonbmc · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2010, 03:12:22 PM »

Quote from: Adam on March 17, 2010, 03:07:38 PM

the problem with that in today's world is it wouldn't work and everyone would be slaughtered the US Military is way to powerful a force to try that.

Hate to disagree, but you have to wonder how many men and women in uniform would turn their guns on Americans. They took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. The oath goes way beyond orders, and there are numerous court cases to back that up. The rednecks around here that are in the service would never think about turning on US citizens.

Groma · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2010, 03:20:28 PM »

What's that old saying " Don't tread on me " It somehow has more meaning these days....

Glasstream15 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 17, 2010, 07:13:24 PM »

Guys, you need to actually READ Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution, Paragraph 3, second sentence. Sentence 1 was amended by the 14th amendment but the second sentence was not.

"The actual Enumeration shall be made within three years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."

You are required by Constitutional Law to fill it out correctly. You want things done by the Constitution? You have to do it too.

(edited for my spelling error)

BamaCoast · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2010, 07:17:31 PM »

Enumeration is simply counting not asking for information they do not need. If you put down the amount of people who live in you house hold you have been counted.

Glasstream15 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 17, 2010, 07:56:05 PM »

Quote from: BamaCoast on March 17, 2010, 07:17:31 PM

Enumeration is simply counting not asking for information they do not need. If you put down the amount of people who live in you house hold you have been counted.

The Constitution says "In Such Manner as they shall by law direct". I don't like it either but IT IS THERE! Get an amendment passed.

bassindago · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2010, 08:24:00 PM »

i threw it away. the government already has all the info they are getting from me. the can go to the irs and see how many are in my family.

Groma · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2010, 09:34:36 PM »

The Constitution also calls for a physical head count but that's not happening is it !

I do read the Constitution , Thank you !

" Joseph Stalin said: 'Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.' The same principle applies to the census. Since one or the other party will always be in power at the time of the census, it is vital that the out-of-power party at least be able to observe the process to make sure it isn't being stacked in favor of the party in power. This will be difficult for the GOP since Democrats control both houses of Congress "

Homerthumper · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2010, 10:12:00 PM »

Quote from: Creel Limit Zero on March 17, 2010, 12:50:35 PM

There are so many things that are derived from the data that comes from the Census. It helps them decide on roads, HubZones, school zones, taxes, laws, assistance programs, small business loans, urban development programs, etc... There is a ton of different laws and taxes that are based on the figures that come from this Census information. I just think it is foolish of you to not fill out the information. Boycotting it is just costing more money, it's not doing anything but costing more time and money. Fact is, if you love America you would want them to get the data as accurate as possible. Because of all the Government's faults, this is one of the few things they do that actually serves a purpose.

Dude, i hope you don't believe that BS. All they want is to invade your privacy!!!!

Stump bumper · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2010, 10:32:17 PM »

Sharing information between departments for use it was not gathered for is illegal and costly. I filled out the entire form took 3 minutes and am glad to stand up and be counted.

I don't know when a government of the people by the people became "us" vs "them" ? If I really believed that I would be staging a revelution.

I for one like to look at areas I have no idea about and am thinking about moving and see who lives there, education level, income levels and races. If you are starting a business in area you have never been without such a study, you will fail.

People this easy !! There has not been a male in my family from 1800 til my son that has not been deployed and manned a rifle for this country and leaving their families and conforts of home for over a year at a time. Sorry you got bothered with mail, take down the box in front of your house and it won't happen again.

There are record floods coming this spring and if you are floating down your road on top your truck, I'll beat you will want the "government" to know where you are and for the "government" to go out of their way to help you.

Don't even get me going on how many people on this theard cash those "government" checks every month. Bet you gave "them" all the information they needed to your check to the right account. I know I did, including my social, account number and routing number.

My son draws the GI bill for his education, my daughter gets federal aid for her education, my wife has medicare for her disablities. I sure want the government to know who I am, where I am at, and thank god I am an American.

By the way I am cacusian ( non hespatic) and 47 , own my house, I have 3 children over 18, one grandchild under 1, and 3 dogs and I don't care who knows. I am proud of all it, and carry pictures to be shared with strangers.

coldfront · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2010, 10:37:38 PM »

thanks Stump! I don't expect your words to necessarily mean much to many ... but I appreciate you setting them down...

good job.

tsmith35 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2010, 10:57:32 PM »

I don't mind the government having my info. After all, my company lost all of my records to hackers, my kids' school district has been hacked twice, my credit card information has been stolen numerous times, and both city and county information has been hacked. All my personal property tax information is available in the county database, and apparently my license and certification information is available through the Freedom of Information Act. What's to hide?

Ron Fogelson · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2010, 12:30:15 AM »

Stump my post wasn't to argue but to get folks to think.

If owning my house is ok for the gov to ask or what race I am is needed to help them determine how much $ and what area gets that $ what is next?

If I apply for a job they can't ask for my race or at least I don't have to fill it out

If today our gov has decided it is needed info to find out who owns a house who rents and house or who is still trying to pay for a house is it not possible that the next time it could be about who owns a weapon or who hunts to gather info on how much tax dollars should be spent on WMA’s. Or what about religion? Would it not be useful info to our federal government to know how many people believe in god in my area or if everyone is Muslim to help watch for home grown terrorists for National Security.

Us vs them is a belief some have due to the fact our gov has lost touch with the reality of the average American and don't tell me they can't or wouldn't do anything wrong. They are just people hell even cops use locks in the locker room because they are just people and people can do evil things. “Tuskegee Airmen” “Japanese interment camps for US citizens” Or the testing of atomic weapons, hell both of my grandpa's were used to watch atomic weapon detonations. I think that when people start to believe they are better and or know what is better for the individual it becomes very easy for things to get out of control.

Look I'm not saying we should all run out and buy weapons or start a revolution & I do understand how they might like to know how our country is made up I'm just asking why in the world my federal government would need to know my race or if I own/buy/rent my house in order to pass laws and or make changes to the allocations of funds from that information. It’s not what they have or what they need but how it’s used that has me concerned. Hitler didn't come to power over night, Rome is no more; history shows that nothing lasts and the decline starts from the very start it is faster when everyone runs in the same direction at the drop of a hat.

By the way I filled mine out yesterday and it is going in the mail in the morning I just like to question things and think maybe we all should do that a little more at times.

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