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Title: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: scfisher on July 10, 2017, 09:12:18 AM
Someone needs to fess up here.  If you take a quick look just on amazon, Kastking has close to twenty different reels from baitcasters, spinning reels, even fly fishing reels.  There are thousands of reviews for these items with the overwhelming majority of them positive.  Yet for some reason, there is zero info on this forum for these reels.  So what's the deal?  Is no one in this forum using this equipment or will no one admit to it? 

I was looking for a new reel this past week and after spending countless hours researching I just couldn't bring myself to get one of the kastking baitcasters.  Mainly because there was no info for them on this forum.  That, and the few negative reviews on amazon were very negative.  Something seemed fishy about that.  I ended up getting a pflueger which I have experience with.  But to be honest, on paper it's half the reel for twice the price.  Wondering if I should have just taken the risk and ordered the kastking. 

Is anyone willing to come out and admit to having experience with these?  Good or bad.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SteveTX on July 10, 2017, 09:26:33 AM
Honestly I don't own a one and up until semi recently they didn't have a aluminum frame reel that I was aware of. Not that everyone has to have a metal frame reel but I just won't purchase a plastic frame baitcaster.   
Then when they did get the metal frame version the price was not that far from the reels I already owned that I knew I liked and was very satisfied with. So that ended any reason for me to look at them.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 10, 2017, 09:28:22 AM
Just another cheap Chinese reel that another forum has tried to blast as the best thing since slice bread. That forum is just as much a joke as them trying to say they were a US company.  lo
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: cortman on July 10, 2017, 09:36:21 AM
A buddy of mine had one. It was garbage, broke within a month. I wouldn't waste my money. Ever heard of buying Amazon reviews? How many of those got the reel for free?
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: scfisher on July 10, 2017, 10:02:01 AM
I obviously have no knowledge of whether any, most or all of the amazon reviews are fake but it had me wondering.  But honestly if your payment for a fake review is a free reel, if the reel is a piece of junk is it even worth leaving the fake review?  Just send if back or throw it in the trash. 

It was the reviews about the reels self destructing that had me worried.  You don't see those when you're reading about shimanos or diawas or the other big names.  Those reviews are a small percentage of them though so it's hard to tell if those few had defects in the manufacturing or assembly processes or if they were all ticking bombs. 

As far as calling it another cheap Chinese product: I love to buy American made stuff.  I prefer to do so.  But just buying something that's made in America because it's made in America isn't doing anyone any favors in my lowly opinion.  I want to buy American because it's better.  When you find something is made better elsewhere at a comparable price, sometimes the best way for the American company to see they need to step up their game is through sluggish sales.  I work for an American manufacturing facility and we compete with overseas companies daily.  It keeps us striving to improve our products and reduce costs.  I say all this just to explain why I for one don't immediately write off a company based on where they're located.

My intent with this thread was not to step on any toes but to shed some light no these reels.  I was hoping to find some folks with personal experience that would say they were garbage so that I could confirm what my intuition was telling me. 
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SFL BassHunter on July 10, 2017, 10:27:26 AM
A buddy of mine had one. It was garbage, broke within a month. I wouldn't waste my money. Ever heard of buying Amazon reviews? How many of those got the reel for free?

Gotta look at the reviews from the Purchase Verified users. It states it next to their name if they actually purchased through Amazon. Otherwise, hard to trust.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: rockchalk06 on July 10, 2017, 10:41:57 AM
A buddy of mine had one. It was garbage, broke within a month. I wouldn't waste my money. Ever heard of buying Amazon reviews? How many of those got the reel for free?

I write reviews on every product I buy from them. I get contacted daily by some damn fly by night company looking for positive reviews for their electronics products. Each say "For a thorough glowing review, we will ship you X product for free?  That speaks volumes.

To the OP, Kasking or whatever it's called is absolute horseshit. You're better off getting an H2O house brand reel or a blister pack Abu. Just because a certain shit forum is pushing that crap like it's Gods gift to fisherman, means nothing to people with half a brain.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: scfisher on July 10, 2017, 10:49:03 AM
Thanks Rick.  I'll try to pay attention to that.  Seems like they should only allow reviews from verified purchases. 

rockchalk: have you used them or held them? 

I'm almost getting the impression this forum in general is anti kastking because there's another forum that is pro kastking.  I haven't bothered to look at other forums.  I still stand behind my decision not to purchase one of their reels.  Am I going to be put on an ultimate bass hit list for bringing this up?
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Bud Kennedy on July 10, 2017, 10:56:10 AM
Heck NO .  There are no hit lists on Ultimate Bass.  Just let us know how it works out for you.  It may be just the ticket for your needs. 
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Princeton_Man on July 10, 2017, 11:06:45 AM
I searched for the brand at a good number of my fishing tackle sources and the only one to have anything with that manufacturer's name was Cabella's and that was a rod rack.

Amazon and Walmart seem to be the leading retailers of these Kastking Reels. What that says to me is BPS, Monster Fishing, TW, and Cabella's to name a few either weren't contacted by the company's marking team or didn't want the product in their stores. From a brief internet search, I concluded the brand and products have been around for at least 4 years. That's a long time for anything of quality to not be carried by at least a couple of the leading retailers of that product line.

Anyone interested in quality entry level reels has a boatload of proven reels to choose from including Abu, Diawa, Shimano, Lew's, and Okuma just to name a few.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 10, 2017, 11:26:34 AM
  Am I going to be put on an ultimate bass hit list for bringing this up?

 lo
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Down4ttown on July 10, 2017, 11:40:17 AM
Ok like many have said, they are a Chinese knock off reel that pushes cheap quality and quantity over quality. That said, most reels are moving to this philosophy. If you have to buy a reel like this, the academy H20 is a great option for low cost. It is metal and holds up well.

Best to stick with brands like Daiwa, Shimano, or Pure fishing. At least their cheaper reels get hand me down technology that is usually far superior to these Chinese reels.


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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Princeton_Man on July 10, 2017, 11:54:16 AM
Whenever you have an actively growing market, particularly one as popular as fishing, you're going to have folks trying to cash in on it. Anyone with a few thousand dollars can start business here and start manufacturing a product in China before the ink is dry on their corporate paperwork and they can flood the market with their products because there are many retailers who could care less about quality as long as the profit margin is good. Like many have pointed out, reviews can be bought and faked, they don't always mean much.

They don't have to be great quality, work well, or last long. They'll still make a profit.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 10, 2017, 11:57:05 AM
Like the ole saying goes, "there is a A$$ for every seat."
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: scfisher on July 10, 2017, 12:52:15 PM

Amazon and Walmart seem to be the leading retailers of these Kastking Reels. What that says to me is BPS, Monster Fishing, TW, and Cabella's to name a few either weren't contacted by the company's marking team or didn't want the product in their stores. From a brief internet search, I concluded the brand and products have been around for at least 4 years. That's a long time for anything of quality to not be carried by at least a couple of the leading retailers of that product line.


That's an excellent point that hadn't occurred to me.  So if the reputable outdoors/fishing companies that have worked at making a name for themselves either won't sell this equipment or aren't being allowed to sell it maybe the consumers should stay away as well. 

What about their braided line?  I'm assuming that's the same company that makes the kastking reels.  The line seems to get the ultimate bass ok.  At least I don't see anyone bashing it as cheap Chinese junk.  Line's ok but reels aren't?
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 10, 2017, 01:11:33 PM
That's an excellent point that hadn't occurred to me.  So if the reputable outdoors/fishing companies that have worked at making a name for themselves either won't sell this equipment or aren't being allowed to sell it maybe the consumers should stay away as well. 

What about their braided line?  I'm assuming that's the same company that makes the kastking reels.  The line seems to get the ultimate bass ok.  At least I don't see anyone bashing it as cheap Chinese junk.  Line's ok but reels aren't?

They dont make the line, just like they dont make the reels. Everything of theirs is basically a 2nd party deal. Most braided lines are the same. Few companies actually all sell the same line but they box it to their brand.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Oldfart9999 on July 10, 2017, 01:29:26 PM
The prices I saw for some of them doesn't jive with the cost, they're cutting somewhere. Old saying; "If it sounds to good to be true, it probably isn't."
Rodney
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: rockchalk06 on July 10, 2017, 01:40:45 PM
That's an excellent point that hadn't occurred to me.  So if the reputable outdoors/fishing companies that have worked at making a name for themselves either won't sell this equipment or aren't being allowed to sell it maybe the consumers should stay away as well. 

What about their braided line?  I'm assuming that's the same company that makes the kastking reels.  The line seems to get the ultimate bass ok.  At least I don't see anyone bashing it as cheap Chinese junk.  Line's ok but reels aren't?

I can't comment on the line as I know nothing about it, but think of it like this. If Bass Pro, Cabelas, Monster etc etc carried the reels, they'd be in a serious bind providing all the refunds and the negative reviews. Carry X product that is pure trash and have 15K bad reviews, that hurts overall sales on everything. They have excellent return policies if you have the receipt and would be killing sales returning all the funds. 
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SFL BassHunter on July 10, 2017, 02:31:48 PM
I bought some of their braid, but have not used it.

I did a break strength test comparing several braids, I am sure you can find that in the search somewhere on this site. The "cheap Chinese" braids performed just about the same as the name brand stuff.

I am currently using KastKing Masters Mono, and so far I am really liking it. I don't know if they make it or someone makes it for them. Either way, so far it has performed very well for me. Still testing it though.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: cortman on July 10, 2017, 03:05:23 PM
Kast king has been throwing insane amounts of money at marketing in the last 6 months or so. They've sponsored every youtube fisherman between 2k and 15k subscribers it seems, sponsored the crap forum, bought a ton of Amazon reviews, etc. Sounds like it's working as in its raising their brand in people's consciousness. Still doubt it's worth a red cent.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SteveTX on July 10, 2017, 04:12:59 PM
Am I going to be put on an ultimate bass hit list for bringing this up?
lo
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Title: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: j102 on July 10, 2017, 06:19:16 PM
It is always safer to buy a reel from any of the top companies.
They cost a big more but last a lot longer, with better customer support and available parts should you need it.

Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Pferox on July 11, 2017, 06:41:43 AM
I actually own three Cast King spinning reels that I got from a Chinese Distributor.  The ones I got are no different in quality as the larger name reels' budget models.  They are meant to be throw away reels, like many products are today.

As to actual use, they worked for me when I used them for a short while before I got sick.  I used them in brackish and salt water and have held up well for what they are.

Are they big buck reels, no, but some people aren't in the position to purchase that kind of product, and they work great as an entry level or kid, or backup reel.  IMO.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: DinksAllDay on July 17, 2017, 12:46:43 PM
I've tried their braid (I guess it's just a rebranded braid)

I would put it on par with my power pro braid. No real issues, dye eventually faded a bit but not as bad as my fireline

Cheap decent alternative access to Chinese products?
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Ddyyak on July 17, 2017, 04:14:14 PM
I've purchase 4 of their baitcasters and I've been quite pleased. If money was no object would I buy $200 reels instead, absolutely. But for a lot of us money is an object. At the price point I think they perform quite well. They have done nothing to intice me to write this review. Now time will tell on durability but I'm not a tourney fisherman so may have different expectations.


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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 17, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
I've purchase 4 of their baitcasters and I've been quite pleased. If money was no object would I buy $200 reels instead, absolutely. But for a lot of us money is an object. At the price point I think they perform quite well. They have done nothing to intice me to write this review. Now time will tell on durability but I'm not a tourney fisherman so may have different expectations.


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Interesting as this is your 1st post??????
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Ddyyak on July 17, 2017, 07:57:44 PM
Yeah figured that would be someone's response, I've just been lurking out here waiting to join and pounce on the First kast king post that would pop up. I'm just a fisherman from Tennessee and this was my first post. I figured the attacks would begin. Look I'm giving an honest opinion on my experience. Do with it what you want.


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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 17, 2017, 08:27:42 PM
Yeah figured that would be someone's response, I've just been lurking out here waiting to join and pounce on the First kast king post that would pop up. I'm just a fisherman from Tennessee and this was my first post. I figured the attacks would begin. Look I'm giving an honest opinion on my experience. Do with it what you want.


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Thats fine. But we have a section on this forum to introduce yourself. I suggest you try that first to be taken more seriously.

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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Ddyyak on July 17, 2017, 09:22:28 PM
Fair enough, I will. Just felt a bit AA to me "hi I'm Dave and I Bass Fish" I understand your skepticism.


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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Mike Cork on July 17, 2017, 09:36:51 PM
Fair enough, I will. Just felt a bit AA to me "hi I'm Dave and I Bass Fish" I understand your skepticism.


I hate that it makes you feel that way but in reality we are all addicts, to fishing :-* So, yes start your post with, Hi, I'm a addict  ~shade you will be well received. We do enjoying reading a little about you.

Thanks for the input on the reels. You say your not a tournament angler so... About how many hours do you think you've got on them? Which techniques are you using them for? IE a reel used for a frog gets a lot more long casts and retrieves than a reel used for pitching. Just looking for some durability info.

I'm a shimano guy all the way and will never change that, but curious as I've never heard of this brand until about a month ago.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: hubcap91 on July 17, 2017, 10:31:22 PM
At least they aren't as bad as Favorite Fishing. They use the same OEM and Favorite charges double. I still will never have either when I can get a Revo or PT for $100.

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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 18, 2017, 05:21:33 AM
Fair enough, I will. Just felt a bit AA to me "hi I'm Dave and I Bass Fish" I understand your skepticism.


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Don't worry. First step is admitting you have a problem. I still haven't recovered. Lol

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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Pferox on July 18, 2017, 07:25:51 AM
Ya know, there was a time when anything that came from Japan was getting the same cheap foreign made hype people are doing to Chinese products.

We are seeing the slow transition from junk products to decent quality, to eventually, the "I gotta have a CDM reel" mantra, so don't knock 'em unless you have tried them.

Malaysia is the new China for low quality cheap stuff, and in years to come this discussion will have the players changed again.

As I stated before, I have a few Cast King reels and they have worked well for me in the year or two of limited saltwater use I was fortunate to do with them.  I got them from Bang Good on a good price just before I got sick.

AND most of the big name reel manufacturers are using similar designs and selling them for much more than what Cast Kings cost.  So many are on par with the lower tiered reels from the names we are so used to hearing from.

I see Cast King becoming another name we will be seeing more as the years go on.

Welcome to the site Ddyyak, you are a member here and you can post wherever you have access to.  The only rules are the ones posted in each forum and the general rules posted in their own place.  I'm looking forward to seeing your posts all over the place.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Oldfart9999 on July 18, 2017, 11:15:16 AM
Fair enough, I will. Just felt a bit AA to me "hi I'm Dave and I Bass Fish" I understand your skepticism.


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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Jared LeBlue on July 18, 2017, 01:04:07 PM
Well Kast King put a reel in Icast this year and it looks decent. The main thing is it has something like a 9.3:1 ratio which they are claiming is fastest reel on the market. The one thing that chaps me about KastKing and some of the other products coming out of China right now is their failure to disclose if the reel has a composite or metal frame. I did find one a while back that had an aluminum frame and I bought it just to try it. It's a nice reel. It cast great and is pretty smooth. It is a little on the heavy side but that's really no big deal to me. I paid something like $45 for it so if it craps out I'll just chunk it but if last a few years I think it well worth the money.

If you can find out that Kastking you are wanting has a metal frame I would say go for it. I stay away from composite frame reels not to say that they are horrible but you are more likely to have trouble with a composite frame reel than a metal frame reel.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: FISH520 on July 18, 2017, 01:45:32 PM
I write reviews on every product I buy from them. I get contacted daily by some damn fly by night company looking for positive reviews for their electronics products. Each say "For a thorough glowing review, we will ship you X product for free?  That speaks volumes.

To the OP, Kasking or whatever it's called is absolute horseshit. You're better off getting an H2O house brand reel or a blister pack Abu. Just because a certain shit forum is pushing that crap like it's Gods gift to fisherman, means nothing to people with half a brain.
I just scrolled thru some threads on said forum. Good god they are pumping the crap out of that brand. Its's a real shame that a person that is new to fishing or just baitcasters would get sucked into that.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 18, 2017, 02:01:57 PM
I just scrolled thru some threads on said forum. Good god they are pumping the crap out of that brand. Its's a real shame that a person that is new to fishing or just baitcasters would get sucked into that.

Lotta bad info on that site.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: rockchalk06 on July 18, 2017, 02:19:55 PM
Lotta bad info on that site.

I've spent the last hour searching topics related to these reels. The amount of folks having issues is astounding. Remember the Carrot Stick #carrotstickgate issues several years ago when no one could get ahold of their CS for warranty issues? I lost count at 15 issues where it took guys over a month to get through to the kastking CS. Every single post that has a user with a less than positive tone leaving a comment, is followed by a moderator with some rude ass comment on how it must be the user's fault followed by "Mines been a wonderful reel" or "I liked it so much, I put it on a high end rod" . GTFO man. I can put a turd on my GLX and it doesn't make the turd anything less than just that. A turd!

It's amazing what people will say or do for a few bucks.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: FISH520 on July 18, 2017, 02:26:10 PM
I've spent the last hour searching topics related to these reels. The amount of folks having issues is astounding. Remember the Carrot Stick #carrotstickgate issues several years ago when no one could get ahold of their CS for warranty issues? I lost count at 15 issues where it took guys over a month to get through to the kastking CS. Every single post that has a user with a less than positive tone leaving a comment, is followed by a moderator with some rude ass comment on how it must be the user's fault followed by "Mines been a wonderful reel" or "I liked it so much, I put it on a high end rod" . GTFO man. I can put a turd on my GLX and it doesn't make the turd anything less than just that. A turd!

It's amazing what people will say or do for a few bucks.
A reel worthy of a high-end rod! ~b~ ~b~ ~b~
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 18, 2017, 02:32:10 PM
I've spent the last hour searching topics related to these reels. The amount of folks having issues is astounding. Remember the Carrot Stick #carrotstickgate issues several years ago when no one could get ahold of their CS for warranty issues? I lost count at 15 issues where it took guys over a month to get through to the kastking CS. Every single post that has a user with a less than positive tone leaving a comment, is followed by a moderator with some rude ass comment on how it must be the user's fault followed by "Mines been a wonderful reel" or "I liked it so much, I put it on a high end rod" . GTFO man. I can put a turd on my GLX and it doesn't make the turd anything less than just that. A turd!

It's amazing what people will say or do for a few bucks.

Speaking of money. Did you happen to catch the clip of Mark Zona talking about his Daiwa deal? He sounded like he was very happy with wearing the Daiwa logo.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: rockchalk06 on July 18, 2017, 02:41:56 PM
A reel worthy of a high-end rod! ~b~ ~b~ ~b~

That one made me laugh a bit.

I understand, not everyone can afford 100-400 on a reel. There was a time where I couldn't afford much more than a Quantum Iron round reel. I think I paid like 40 bucks at walmart for it. It wasn't the best, but it worked. My one issue I had with the reel was met with some pretty decent CS.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: rockchalk06 on July 18, 2017, 02:42:39 PM
Speaking of money. Did you happen to catch the clip of Mark Zona talking about his Daiwa deal? He sounded like he was very happy with wearing the Daiwa logo.

Not yet. I did see where he posted a few pictures of him in Daiwa gear officially saying he was with them now.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 18, 2017, 03:08:57 PM
A reel worthy of a high-end rod! ~b~ ~b~ ~b~

You never know, they may tap into the JDM market. Some plastic that is hydrodipped with carbon fiber looking image.  :-* Could be the new "it" thing.  lo
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SteveTX on July 18, 2017, 04:15:32 PM
Speaking of money. Did you happen to catch the clip of Mark Zona talking about his Daiwa deal? He sounded like he was very happy with wearing the Daiwa logo.
Say it ain't so.  :shocking: You mean the Daiwa that didn't win any awards at ICast this year! That mean old Shimano  lo
Daiwa must suck give me a bucket for several hundred dammit. ~roflmao
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SFL BassHunter on July 18, 2017, 04:59:10 PM
You never know, they may tap into the JDM market. Some plastic that is hydrodipped with carbon fiber looking image.  :-* Could be the new "it" thing.  lo

LOL I think shishmano is already doing something similar with the carbon fiber looking image. Saw an add on my facebook the other day the reel was red carbonfiber. The comments were hilarious. Of course you had the fake comments and the funny thing is it was a scripted review.
They all said "I've bought two of these and had them for two years!" Apparently every single person that owns a shishmano has bought 2 and had them for 2 years.
Then there were the poor saps that actually bought into the "good reviews". Meanwhile anyone who has ever heard of SHIMANO is on there going "These are not Shimano reels, they are fake knockoffs!"

Quite funny stuff.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Mike Cork on July 18, 2017, 06:32:51 PM
The bass fishing market is growing so fast. The numbers of new anglers in the industry is exponentially larger than those of us that have been around a while.

So a play on names, even on models can create sales... This takes us back to the core of why Laurie started UB so many years ago, the sharing of quality information. Not only in local fishing waters, but in equipment, techniques and meeting a friend in a distant state you might be visiting :-*
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 18, 2017, 07:05:54 PM
LOL I think shishmano is already doing something similar with the carbon fiber looking image. Saw an add on my facebook the other day the reel was red carbonfiber. The comments were hilarious. Of course you had the fake comments and the funny thing is it was a scripted review.
They all said "I've bought two of these and had them for two years!" Apparently every single person that owns a shishmano has bought 2 and had them for 2 years.
Then there were the poor saps that actually bought into the "good reviews". Meanwhile anyone who has ever heard of SHIMANO is on there going "These are not Shimano reels, they are fake knockoffs!"

Quite funny stuff.
I had a discussion with a few younguns on IG about how they were Chinese reels that were shipped overseas. They were convinced they werent, and they only sold them online and thats why they are soo cheap. Lol. Kids. They believe anything.

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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SteveTX on July 18, 2017, 09:12:11 PM
Kids. They believe anything.

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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: scfisher on July 19, 2017, 09:47:55 AM
Wow, gone for a few days and this thread takes off.  You know, the "other" forum that pushes their sponsors isn't a whole lot different than this forum pushing its sponsors.  The big difference I see is their sponsor, Kast King, isn't an American company(and likely isn't high on the quality department either). 

By the way, got my pflueger reel in and put it on my new rod and it sure is a sweet set up.  So excited to go out and use it this weekend.  This is truthfully my first, what I would consider, high end rod/reel combo. 
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 19, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
Wow, gone for a few days and this thread takes off.  You know, the "other" forum that pushes their sponsors isn't a whole lot different than this forum pushing its sponsors.  The big difference I see is their sponsor, Kast King, isn't an American company(and likely isn't high on the quality department either). 

By the way, got my pflueger reel in and put it on my new rod and it sure is a sweet set up.  So excited to go out and use it this weekend.  This is truthfully my first, what I would consider, high end rod/reel combo.

Negative sir. They are on a whole different level/.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SFL BassHunter on July 19, 2017, 09:53:53 AM
Wow, gone for a few days and this thread takes off.  You know, the "other" forum that pushes their sponsors isn't a whole lot different than this forum pushing its sponsors.  The big difference I see is their sponsor, Kast King, isn't an American company(and likely isn't high on the quality department either). 

By the way, got my pflueger reel in and put it on my new rod and it sure is a sweet set up.  So excited to go out and use it this weekend.  This is truthfully my first, what I would consider, high end rod/reel combo.

Every forum will push their sponsors. But I think this one is a bit different in that we are allowed to talk about other brands and companies without **** covering up all the letters lol.

I like pfluegers. My trion has been good to me.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SteveTX on July 19, 2017, 10:42:16 AM
Every forum will push their sponsors. But I think this one is a bit different in that we are allowed to talk about other brands and companies without **** covering up all the letters lol.
I agree It is a completely different experience from here. This board openly    allows discussing all fishing stuff. Here administrators do not belittle it's members when they are shown something they are saying is not accurate. And this forum to me never gave the in your face type of pushing sponsors. To me it has always been a suggestion or more of a positive response from a member that led me to want to try a sponsor. Maybe the **** of any opposing brands made me feel this way? Unlike 10 nut huggers all swearing God's gift was this brand like Kastking is there. I can just about give you  the week the KK money hit the table over there. Before that they would have destroyed anyone who mentioned positive of a china made plastic cheap reel. Big difference in several ways here. Attitude here is #MAGA there is antifa.  ;) lo
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: kadas on July 21, 2017, 12:25:13 PM
Every forum will push their sponsors. But I think this one is a bit different in that we are allowed to talk about other brands and companies without **** covering up all the letters lol.

I like pfluegers. My trion has been good to me.
  I agree with Rick--do not have the time to follow a forum that dictates what brands of rods and reels you can or can not talk about and "that" forum sure does control what is discussed and what is not. What is the sense of following a forum that will not truly let you speak your mind on a product as long as it is done in a civil manner. I would like to say thanks to Laurie and Mike for letting this forum discuss rod and reel brands even if they are not a sponsor on here---Thank You
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Mike Cork on July 23, 2017, 09:32:29 AM
Just a quick note on brands...

We can get picky and guarded with sponsors. They pay the bills. But if someone wanted exclusive rights, first Mother would laugh, unless they threw a number at here that was extremely sobering  ~roflmao

So if there comes a day that you can only talk about Shimano, you can bet Mother is sipping a margarita in the Bahamas somewhere  ~roflmao

She built UB so people can learn from each other. Fishing techniques to what equipment to by (or not to buy) as long as everything is respectful, were good.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 27, 2017, 08:53:09 AM
TT did a review. They must be paying well.  lo

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewicast17kastking.html
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: cortman on July 27, 2017, 09:33:15 AM
TT did a review. They must be paying well.  lo

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewicast17kastking.html

Eh it's just part of their iCast coverage. There's a ton of those articles for all different brands on TT.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: rockchalk06 on July 27, 2017, 09:34:54 AM
TT did a review. They must be paying well.  lo

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewicast17kastking.html

Something tells me they won't do a full in depth review on these
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 27, 2017, 09:35:12 AM
Eh it's just part of their iCast coverage. There's a ton of those articles for all different brands on TT.
TT does nothing for free, and i mean NOTHING. You should see how much they charge just to advertise on their forum. Lol

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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SFL BassHunter on July 27, 2017, 09:35:44 AM
TT did a review. They must be paying well.  lo

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewicast17kastking.html

I wouldn't call this a review. They really didn't review anything, they just wrote up an article to try to convince everyone the products are awesome.

Now I will add this, every day I use their mono, the more I feel it is the best mono I have tried.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: West6550 on July 29, 2017, 08:37:03 PM
Hey guys I am coming out with my own brand reel. For the low cost of $99 including shipping. Just let me know. It definitely isn't whatever I find at the local flea market spray painted whatever color I have left in the garage. Contact me know before they are all gone! Lolol
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on July 29, 2017, 08:38:23 PM
Hey guys I am coming out with my own brand reel. For the low cost of $99 including shipping. Just let me know. It definitely isn't whatever I find at the local flea market spray painted whatever color I have left in the garage. Contact me know before they are all gone! Lolol
You have been sucking too many exhaust fumes out there on the road. Lol

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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: West6550 on July 29, 2017, 08:53:12 PM
You have been sucking too many exhaust fumes out there on the road. Lol

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For uniform color I paint them assembled as well.... lolol
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SteveTX on July 29, 2017, 10:21:59 PM
For uniform color I paint them assembled as well.... lolol
You really should be offering free reels to the youtube users who want to become "professional" do nothings so they can say how great a paint job the reels have.  ;)
 ~roflmao
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SFL BassHunter on July 30, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
For uniform color I paint them assembled as well.... lolol
lol that would be a fantastic idea!
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: terrapin on July 30, 2017, 08:36:01 AM
I'm in a different part of the outdoor industry, so take what I say with a grain of salt.  We have done some manufacturing in China (predominantly injection molded assemblies, or what I term Happy Meal toys), as such we frequently have Chinese manufacturers approach us about building our products.  For some reason the reel factories were particularly aggressive.  They would show up to meetings with boxes of "name brand" reels, hand them out as gifts and tell us they would build us the identical reel, any color, any logo, any packaging.  Generally, the landed cost was between 12 and 20% of the msrp of said reel.  It was always a bit tempting, but we always had to many other products to manage.

That being said, the barrier to entry for these rod and reel importers is very low.  No engineering, very little tooling, and very short lead times.  That allows you to do a disproportionate amount of marketing.  So you get companies like Kast King and Piscifun flooding Facebook, YouTube and forums.

As someone in engineering, I always suggest that price conscious shoppers pick a reputable brand, and go with the product that is tailored for the meat of the market.  Generally that is the middle price point, highest volume product, and may not have the most expensive components or tightest tolerances, but it has seen an inordinate amount of the engineering time and manufacturing perfection due to repetition.


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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: cortman on July 30, 2017, 12:13:27 PM
I'm in a different part of the outdoor industry, so take what I say with a grain of salt.  We have done some manufacturing in China (predominantly injection molded assemblies, or what I term Happy Meal toys), as such we frequently have Chinese manufacturers approach us about building our products.  For some reason the reel factories were particularly aggressive.  They would show up to meetings with boxes of "name brand" reels, hand them out as gifts and tell us they would build us the identical reel, any color, any logo, any packaging.  Generally, the landed cost was between 12 and 20% of the msrp of said reel.  It was always a bit tempting, but we always had to many other products to manage.

That being said, the barrier to entry for these rod and reel importers is very low.  No engineering, very little tooling, and very short lead times.  That allows you to do a disproportionate amount of marketing.  So you get companies like Kast King and Piscifun flooding Facebook, YouTube and forums.

As someone in engineering, I always suggest that price conscious shoppers pick a reputable brand, and go with the product that is tailored for the meat of the market.  Generally that is the middle price point, highest volume product, and may not have the most expensive components or tightest tolerances, but it has seen an inordinate amount of the engineering time and manufacturing perfection due to repetition.


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That is a very interesting and insightful post. Holds out well with what we on the outside see happening in the industry. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Tas1498 on August 12, 2017, 09:10:45 PM
I bought a speed demon earlier this year put straight braid on it and went to pitching tungsten lasted a month. I took the refund instead of a replacement reel. There customer service was top notch though.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: kadas on August 13, 2017, 11:48:26 AM
  I have not used any reels from Kastking so I have no personal issues but I will say I will take the money I would have spent on one of their reels and put it towards a proven long established companies reel.  I do not have a use for a throw away reel.  The reels I have are not so expensive that I have to mortgage the house to buy but I have been using them for several years and they still are going strong which I do not believe will be the case with these reels being offered now at these prices--JMO
Title: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Sandman7925 on August 20, 2017, 01:16:45 PM
Only thing kastking makes that I use is line. Their moss green braided line is a as good as the power pro at a a fraction of the cost. Or at least close enough to make it worth it. Only thing is the line when brand new bleeds like crazy. But it does stop bleeding pretty quick then it's all good.
And I think their stuff is really popular with the sacalait anglers.


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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SFL BassHunter on August 21, 2017, 08:47:30 AM
 ~shhh ~shhh ~shhh ~shhh

I purchased more Kastking mono on amazon. I really liked the Masters mono I have been using in Hazard Yellow. Decided to go back to clear.
Got Masters in 12lb, and 17lb tests and I got their "Professional" mono in 15lb.

I know this post will anger a few people, but so be it lol.  >:D
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Ddyyak on August 21, 2017, 09:53:50 AM
Be careful you know they just use that cheap China plastic and slap a KastKing label on it. Need to buy you some Daiwa mono , fish grab on it without even tying a hook to it.


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Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on August 21, 2017, 09:57:04 AM
I wouldnt be surprised if the same company that makes mono for Berkley makes the KK stuff. That company makes line for a boat load of companies.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: Lipripper on August 21, 2017, 10:08:32 AM
I wouldnt be surprised if the same company that makes mono for Berkley makes the KK stuff. That company makes line for a boat load of companies.
Me either LMG just like a lot of other companies stuff is made by one company and they slap their logo on them.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SFL BassHunter on August 21, 2017, 12:01:33 PM
Be careful you know they just use that cheap China plastic and slap a KastKing label on it. Need to buy you some Daiwa mono , fish grab on it without even tying a hook to it.


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lol

I wouldnt be surprised if the same company that makes mono for Berkley makes the KK stuff. That company makes line for a boat load of companies.

Not sure who makes it, but I like it. So far my favorite mono. Low stretch, extremely low memory, haven't had any break offs yet, transmits really well.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on August 21, 2017, 12:04:51 PM
I would check them out, but I have quite a bit of Senshi that I will have to use up first.  lo
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SFL BassHunter on August 21, 2017, 12:07:46 PM
I would check them out, but I have quite a bit of Senshi that I will have to use up first.  lo

Yeah I do too.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: LgMouthGambler on August 21, 2017, 12:10:14 PM
Yeah I do too.

Ill take it if you dont want it.
Title: Re: to all the closet kastking users
Post by: SFL BassHunter on August 21, 2017, 12:20:00 PM
Ill take it if you dont want it.

I'll let you know.