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General Bass Fishing Discussion => Rods, Reels and Fishing Line => Topic started by: The Rooster on October 10, 2018, 08:14:42 PM

Title: Reel seat cutout
Post by: The Rooster on October 10, 2018, 08:14:42 PM
When buying a casting rod do you pay attention to the cutout being there in the reel seats? I love the Fuji ECS seat for pure comfort reasons but I wonder if Iíd mind the TCS seat not having the cutout. Iím unconvinced that it really adds that much to the sensitivity Iím able to feel. I sort of think Iíd feel vibrations and ticks just because the rod is in my hand, cutout or not.
Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: zippyduck on October 10, 2018, 08:28:26 PM
I'm not sure it makes that much of a difference. I have both and on good blanks it doesn't seem to make a difference.
Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: Pferox on October 10, 2018, 08:50:33 PM
If I want to feel, I usually hold the line, or a place on the blank near the front of the reel seat.

Only thing I usually watch for on the reel seat is that it is the right size for the reel I want to use.
Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: LgMouthGambler on October 10, 2018, 08:51:40 PM
I like Fugi seats. The full exposed ones dont fit me right. The Alps ones is really nice, but very limited to companies using them. I know Lee Smith made a few rods for me with them, and they are nice. Hes a custom rod builder on this site. Very high quality craftsmanship.

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Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: The Rooster on October 11, 2018, 08:37:45 PM
I feel like when I want a rod again that I may have to go custom just to get one I can live with now. I really donít like the trends that rods tend to follow these days. How expensive is custom? Ballpark range. Is $100 unrealistic or is it more like $250-300?
Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: SteelHorseCowboy on October 11, 2018, 11:51:06 PM
I'm going with what feels good in my hand. Of mine, the Fuji seat on my Curado rod feels the nicest.
Who gives a damn about perceived sensitivity if the rod becomes uncomfortable to hold, causes hand cramps, or you just can't get a good grip on it?
First requirement is to be able to hold the rod.

Rooster, you're probably looking at $250 near the bottom end of a true custom rod.

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Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: The Rooster on October 12, 2018, 03:19:08 AM
Yeah thatís what I was afraid of, a good custom would be pretty high by my standards.

Honestly if it was a question of comfort or sensitivity then the Fuji ECS reel seat has it covered all around. The trouble is they donít use this seat on a lot of rods anymore it seems. Iíve seen the TCS on one I was thinking of getting, the Shimano Convergence cranking rod, so I thought Iíd ask. It looks similar to the ECS but without the cutout it will feel a little bulky in hand. Iím finding the older I get the less ďfunctionalĒ my hands are at holding things without pain. Iím beginning to prefer slim grips on tools and fishing rods, even the tapered shaped cork handle on my old Shimano Compre rod is much preferable to the straight handle of rods like the St. Croix Premier or Triumph. Then thereís always the state of mind on the sensitivity being reduced. I think all the advertisement and hype and internet post reading has built up a heightened perception that that was needed or else Iíd be missing something. Every now and then I can forget all that and let things influence me (or remind me of what Iíve forgot) in a way to cut through the bull and see what is really going on. Last time out I focused on what I was feeling and why and I realized the cutout doesnít seem to even be doing anything, itís the sheer fact that the rod is in my hand at all that allows me to feel bottom contour and any potential bites. Then common sense kicked in and said my spinning rod has nothing at all similar to a cutout and I still feel things with it, so I have decided to let go of the mindset on reel seat cutouts being necessary for a jig/worm rod. Also, for a cranking rod, I guess some would say sensitivity is less important but Iíve always wanted to maintain just as much as possible so I feel when that bait bumps a stump or rock and I want to know the difference in the two. Iím currently using a Cabelaís Tourney Trail rod for cranking and it sometimes feels dull to me with the baits I throw. Was looking to make a change.
Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: crankenstein on October 12, 2018, 06:13:19 AM
For me, I prefer the ECS reel seat but also like Pac Bay Minima. I've tried rods with the ACS reel seat but it's just too big and uncomfortable for me. There's been a lot of rods I'd love to have but that reel seat wasn't for me personally. I think it's all a matter of comfort, how you hold your rod and\or palm the reel. To me, sensitivity is more about the blank itself and even the type of line you're using.
Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: zippyduck on October 12, 2018, 05:20:58 PM
I second LMG's pic. The ALPS is the best I have ever felt but you pay for it.
Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: The Rooster on October 13, 2018, 09:27:36 AM
LMG posted a pic? Itís not showing for me. Must be in the settings or something.

I second Crankensteinís feeling on the ACS seat. Iíve tried to like it for the sake of getting certain rods but every time I put a reel on one and experiment with it the trigger feels thick and in the way and even on a mock cast it feels like Iím about to throw the whole rod away. Iíd LOVE to love it if I could cause it would open up a lot more options. It seems to be more in use than the ECS now.
Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: Bassinlou on October 13, 2018, 09:40:40 AM
Here are a couple of pics of one of my Alps MVT reel seats.  This one is from my frogging LSCR. This reel seat sits comfortably in my hand.
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Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: Smallie_Stalker on October 15, 2018, 01:45:43 PM
LMG posted a pic? Itís not showing for me. Must be in the settings or something.

I second Crankensteinís feeling on the ACS seat. Iíve tried to like it for the sake of getting certain rods but every time I put a reel on one and experiment with it the trigger feels thick and in the way and even on a mock cast it feels like Iím about to throw the whole rod away. Iíd LOVE to love it if I could cause it would open up a lot more options. It seems to be more in use than the ECS now.
I think maybe Zippy meant pick not pic as in picture?

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Title: Re: Reel seat cutout
Post by: The Rooster on October 17, 2018, 06:23:26 AM
Bassinlou, I can see why thatís so comfortable. It looks like a hybrid version of the ACS and ECS combined. ACS overall shape with the ECS trigger. The trigger is what I have against the ACS seat, itís too thick and causes discomfort in my hand trying to hold and use it. I donít own any but handling in the store and fishing for a while with a friendís rod that has Bass Proís version of it convinces me. Also I have another rod that has a thicker trigger and it does the same thing. My Compre with the ECS seat is so nice I canít even imagine why theyíd deviate away from it other than public perception of boring and traditional vs. new and cool looking.