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Title: Spinning Only
Post by: James77 on September 11, 2020, 01:49:05 PM
I've been trying and trying to figure out baitcasters, I can't to save my life. I'm good with spinners, have no problem hardly at all with'em. Can I be a good bass angler with just spinning? Crankbaits, spinnerbaits, texas rigs, carolina rigs and so on?
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: Smallie_Stalker on September 11, 2020, 02:40:30 PM
It wouldn't be optimal for some things, like pitching for example, but it could be done.
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: James77 on September 11, 2020, 02:55:24 PM
It wouldn't be optimal for some things, like pitching for example, but it could be done.


I mean I'd love to know how to use one. I can't do anything with out a birdnest!!! I've got a Kastking Spartacus Plus. Anyone know how to set these up?
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: ike8120 on September 11, 2020, 03:18:18 PM

I mean I'd love to know how to use one. I can't do anything with out a birdnest!!! I've got a Kastking Spartacus Plus. Anyone know how to set these up?

Hopefully this video will help you? A little hard to understand
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrCmnTt2VtfxTkAohUPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=how+to+setup+a+KastKing+Spartacus+Plus&fr=yhs-iba-1&hspart=iba&hsimp=yhs-1#id=51&vid=4b968cabc67c1163b89d25a5a879a132&action=view
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: Smallie_Stalker on September 11, 2020, 03:21:57 PM
Mike wrote an excellent little piece on this subject here: http://www.ultimatebass.com/bass-fishing-forum/index.php?topic=147997.0 (http://www.ultimatebass.com/bass-fishing-forum/index.php?topic=147997.0)

The advice he gives there is universally true no matter what brand of baitcaster you use.  ~sun
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: Capt. BassinLou on September 11, 2020, 04:29:07 PM
Mike wrote an excellent little piece on this subject here: http://www.ultimatebass.com/bass-fishing-forum/index.php?topic=147997.0 (http://www.ultimatebass.com/bass-fishing-forum/index.php?topic=147997.0)

The advice he gives there is universally true no matter what brand of baitcaster you use.  ~sun

That's a great article by Mike. I learned how to use the b/c later in my life. I was in my mid-twenties when I was introduced to the world of b/c's. Took me a little while, but as I practiced, and practiced, and became proficient at it. Now my arsenal consists of 90% b/c's and 10% spinners.

@ the OP, sounds like you may have to adjust your settings a little better. I used a practice plug for a while. Another option maybe an old used Hollow Body Frog. They are a good weight for casting practice.  :-* :-* Stick with it. Good luck!!
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: Pferox on September 11, 2020, 05:24:49 PM
There are people who just can't get the hang of using a Bait Caster, and function very well with spinning gear, with practice, you can do just about anything with a spinner that you can with a BC.

However, keeping up and eventually learning to use a Bait Caster would be to your advantage with some presentations and line twist, just to bring up one concern.
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: James77 on September 11, 2020, 10:19:32 PM
That's a great article by Mike. I learned how to use the b/c later in my life. I was in my mid-twenties when I was introduced to the world of b/c's. Took me a little while, but as I practiced, and practiced, and became proficient at it. Now my arsenal consists of 90% b/c's and 10% spinners.

@ the OP, sounds like you may have to adjust your settings a little better. I used a practice plug for a while. Another option maybe an old used Hollow Body Frog. They are a good weight for casting practice.  :-* :-* Stick with it. Good luck!!

That was it!!!! Just got frustrated....heat of the moment! LOL! She's casting like a dream now!!! I read something about what to set the magnetic brake on and what to set the centrifigal brake on, and what to set the spool knob. I casted it tonight with no thumb......no backlash!!!! Not that I'm gonna make that a practice. Now.......what lures can I fish on these things? I know weightless is out of the question.......or is it?
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: Capt. BassinLou on September 12, 2020, 05:39:29 AM
That was it!!!! Just got frustrated....heat of the moment! LOL! She's casting like a dream now!!! I read something about what to set the magnetic brake on and what to set the centrifigal brake on, and what to set the spool knob. I casted it tonight with no thumb......no backlash!!!! Not that I'm gonna make that a practice. Now.......what lures can I fish on these things? I know weightless is out of the question.......or is it?

Good to hear it, and no weightless, is not out of the question. Some situations will require a weightless presentation. What rod and reel do you have?
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: James77 on September 12, 2020, 09:25:46 AM
Good to hear it, and no weightless, is not out of the question. Some situations will require a weightless presentation. What rod and reel do you have?

Kastking Spartacus Plus on an Ugly Stick GX2 7ft, medium/heavy. I was practicing some lastnight, and backlashed, LOL! I casted, my plug hit something......BOOM! Oh well.......glad I got some cheap mono!
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: Capt. BassinLou on September 12, 2020, 09:50:57 AM
Kastking Spartacus Plus on an Ugly Stick GX2 7ft, medium/heavy. I was practicing some lastnight, and backlashed, LOL! I casted, my plug hit something......BOOM! Oh well.......glad I got some cheap mono!

Suddenly colliding with an object during a cast will do that. Ask me how I know.  ;D
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: bigjim5589 on September 12, 2020, 10:30:20 AM
I only used spinning gear for a lot of years, because that was all I had. Once I went to baitcasters, I added several, but I also fished for other fish besides bass.

If you stick with spinning gear, I found that one rod won't do everything well, which was another reason I decided to give the casting gear a try. I figured if I was going to add more rods, they should be geared towards specific techniques, and spinning gear often is not.

I have a several spinning outfits too now, and they're still a part of my fishing, so if it works for you, then no real need to go to baitcasters. Both are good to have & use, but not for everyone. I'm not a tournament anglers, so learning to use them both was just for my own personal satisfaction & enjoyment.

You could give fly fishing a try! Now there's something that also takes some time to learn to do properly and you might be giving baitcasters a second thought!  lo
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: Smallie_Stalker on September 12, 2020, 11:16:57 AM
Kastking Spartacus Plus on an Ugly Stick GX2 7ft, medium/heavy. I was practicing some lastnight, and backlashed, LOL! I casted, my plug hit something......BOOM! Oh well.......glad I got some cheap mono!
I know it's tempting to not want to use your thumb, and many modern baitcasters make ot easier to do that without a backlash.

But having a thumb on the spool can help minimize those backlashes that result from a collision like that. If you see your lure is about to hit something you can just apply a little more pressure and stop the spool before the collision.

If you have no thumb on the spool, and then try and use your thumb to stop it completely from a free-spin that would essentially be the same as a collision and you would almost certainly get a backlash doing that too.

Learning to get a gently thumbed spool is the best guard against frequent backlashes.

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Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: njpaulc on September 12, 2020, 12:56:02 PM
When you are practicing, make your first cast, strip some line off the spool, about half of what you just cast out, and wrap some masking tape around the rest of the line on the spool, if you baklash, it won't go past hte tape and be easy to pick out.
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: 1ReelFanatik on September 13, 2020, 07:45:23 AM
That's a great article by Mike. I learned how to use the b/c later in my life. I was in my mid-twenties when I was introduced to the world of b/c's. Took me a little while, but as I practiced, and practiced, and became proficient at it. Now my arsenal consists of 90% b/c's and 10% spinners.

@ the OP, sounds like you may have to adjust your settings a little better. I used a practice plug for a while. Another option maybe an old used Hollow Body Frog. They are a good weight for casting practice.  :-* :-* Stick with it. Good luck!!

Mid-twenties is later in life?  Wow!  No wonder I was unable to become an expert in an hour with a baitcast reel.  I was 61 when I got my first low profile reel.  Had tried an Abu 5001C at about 30, but didn't know a single person that used one, and had zero idea how to set one up.  Immediately gave up.

OP, I cast a 10" unweighted ribbontail worms all the time on baitcast gear.  More than enough weight for a BC.  Also have several combos that I cast #5 Shad Raps on.  And I am not all that good with a baitcast reel.  Plenty of guys that started earlier in life (like mid-twenties  lo ) cast much lighter.  It does require the right rod and reel...at least for me.
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: Capt. BassinLou on September 13, 2020, 07:59:21 AM
Mid-twenties is later in life?  Wow!  No wonder I was unable to become an expert in an hour with a baitcast reel.  I was 61 when I got my first low profile reel.  Had tried an Abu 5001C at about 30, but didn't know a single person that used one, and had zero idea how to set one up.  Immediately gave up.


 lo lo... I knew I was going to get a laugh from someone as soon as I completed that statement...  lo lo

 ~beer~

Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: FD on September 13, 2020, 04:52:08 PM
One thing adding to your issues is the whip in the Ugly stick.  I would upgrade the rod when you can.

Most dont understand that the reel is only half of the equation in casting...

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Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: apenland01 on September 14, 2020, 08:26:37 AM
Probably 70% of my fishing is on a spinning rig of some form because I toss a lot of lightweight stuff.  I use my baitcasters for jigs and heavier baits.  Baitcasters cause me too much frustration on anything less than 1/2 ounce....
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: jwkelley51 on September 14, 2020, 06:39:20 PM
I would say no. Most of what I throw is spinning including top water and jerk baits but if a mh rod is the tool then spinning is out for me. My bait casting is probably 70% the rod. I use 2 hands, back off the reel and roll cast loading the rod and letting it flex back. I'm hardly a pro but it doesn't give me any trouble. You could skip a nose hooked fluke or a neko rigged senko type worm easy with spinning gear...if you need to skip.
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: James77 on September 20, 2020, 01:42:29 PM
Well, I was doing pretty good with my baitcaster, until yesterday after a fishing trip. Now itís making a loud whining noise when I cast and backlashes no matter what I do. Gonna go back to the olí spinner for a while. Get to frustrated with baitcaster right now. Iíll get it one day, Lord willing.


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Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: kdubracing on September 20, 2020, 04:41:41 PM
Iím a little late on this one, but I think your problem may be the rod. I have an Ugly Stick GX2 7í medium also. Iíve been using baitcasters my whole life. It took me a while to realize it, but I was backlashing a lot more on this rod. I had a cheaper reel on this rod than my others, so I was thinking it was that. I was out one day and hit something on my backswing with another rod and backlashed bad. It was on a rod I love, so I took the reel off of the GX2 and put it on the other rod. I expected to have a little difficulty casting with the reel, but had none. I have now switched that reel to another rod and have had zero issues. Just to double check, I put the reel back on the GX2 again and had some backlashes. I no longer use that rod. Maybe you could find another rod to try out and see if it helps, and then buy a different one if it helps.
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: kdubracing on September 20, 2020, 04:43:33 PM
One thing adding to your issues is the whip in the Ugly stick.  I would upgrade the rod when you can.

Most dont understand that the reel is only half of the equation in casting...

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Saw this after my reply. I second this.
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: James77 on September 20, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
Here's the noise it's making.



Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: Capt. BassinLou on September 21, 2020, 05:12:54 AM
Here's the noise it's making.




Is the spool seated well inside the reel?  Did you check and see if you inadvertently unlocked the spools housing?
The video was pretty dark and I really couldn't see the reel or what bait you were casting. But whatever it was your casting distance was really effected. Something is effecting that spool it sounds like.

Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: loomisguy on September 21, 2020, 05:45:38 AM
I usually say it's the Indian not the arrow but in the case of Kastking it could be the arrow.
I would return it and go with a SLX or Tatula.
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: jwkelley51 on September 21, 2020, 11:59:17 AM
What Loomis guy says. I bought some slx combos for like $129.99 apiece last black friday. They are what I would say "bare bones" looking but the casting performance has been excellent. They have a lot of different lengths, actions and speeds to mix and match.
Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: James77 on September 25, 2020, 02:44:12 PM
I sent the baitcaster back to Kastking for a replacement. As for the rod...... I ordered a Kastking Royle Select medium fast rod. Think Thaíd be a goodín?


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Title: Re: Spinning Only
Post by: 3crows on September 27, 2020, 08:24:20 PM
Maybe go to eBay and find an old antique casting reel, one without brakes and without anti-reverse and the handle and level wind spun both during casting and retrieval. And maybe a wire rod or a simple glass rod to go with it. Pretty sure these are what both the largemouth and smallmouth record bass were taken on. Or step forward a few years in time and grab an ABU 5500C and either way spend about a year with them, your thumb will wake up. If your thumb is on the job it should feel the line beginning to bird nest/overrun and clamp down before your brain can think about it.

I am just the opposite and despite efforts and spending tons of money on top of the line spinning gear find them unruly, inaccurate and impossible to throw. I spend too much time futzing around with them and too little time with the lure in the water.

Give me a casting outfit any day. I realize it is because spinning outfits are not what I learned with and aside from some very specific things, I have no use for them.