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Title: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: di_ver_gent on September 28, 2020, 02:16:28 AM
   How many of you just use braid with no leader for bass fishing?? Talked someone today that uses 30-40 power pro for all bass fishing (weightless senko, texas , jigs, crank, poppers, crankbait, chatterbait etc) and 50+ in real thick stuff for punchin.

     Anyone else use just braid? I like the idea as it last longer, better sensitivity.
Title: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: WTodd on September 28, 2020, 05:11:04 AM
Me but I’ll put on a florou leader fishing flukes. When fishing crank baits I’ll soften the drag a little.


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Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: FD on September 28, 2020, 05:43:57 AM
   How many of you just use braid with no leader for bass fishing?? Talked someone today that uses 30-40 power pro for all bass fishing (weightless senko, texas , jigs, crank, poppers, crankbait, chatterbait etc) and 50+ in real thick stuff for punchin.

     Anyone else use just braid? I like the idea as it last longer, better sensitivity.


I use Power Pro for almost everything.  Mono for some cranking situations and when I'm fishing heavy rocks/shell bars.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: merc1997 on September 28, 2020, 11:43:27 AM
i use braid for fishing anything, and i do not use a leader.  i will use different # tests depending on what i am fishing and how deep.  or, if fishing in a lot of wind, i will use a smaller line to help eliminate wind drag.

bo
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Princeton_Man on September 28, 2020, 01:55:58 PM
Yup, I'm also a Power Pro user and no leader. I do however, use fluoro for some techniques.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Smallie_Stalker on September 28, 2020, 01:58:33 PM
I use straight braid (no leaders) for everything except one particular crankbait situation where I use mono.

I have some new flouro and a couple of multi-polymer lines that haven't hit the market yet to play with next spring but I don't see them making me switch back from straight braid/no leader. It just works for me.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: bigjim5589 on September 28, 2020, 02:13:10 PM
I don't use leaders with braid, (Sufix 832) and also use Yozuri Hybrid and have gone back to using some Ande mono on some of my spinning gear.

Like Bo, for the braid I use different test, and mostly for jigs. I use the Yozuri for crankbaits & jerkbaits, and the mono is more for panfishing, but I would use it too for light weight applications for bass.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: SteveTX on September 28, 2020, 02:31:16 PM
I use straight Suffix 832 braid for everything except crankbaits where I use monofilament. Like others the test lb of braid depends on what I am fishing.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Bassinlou on September 28, 2020, 03:15:43 PM
Braid is my primary line for 90% of my reels, and I'm a leader user for some applications.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: twocold on September 28, 2020, 06:09:41 PM
I use braid for all applications sometimes a fluro leader but only for drop shot
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: di_ver_gent on September 28, 2020, 09:51:38 PM
What line size are you all using??
    1) dobyns FR735c with tatula150 7.3:1 has suffix 832 50lb, for flippin,froggin sometimes jig swimbait.
   
    2)dobyns FR705cb w/Revo3 winch 5.4:1 currently has 12lb Trilene sensation. This setup will be used for all my treble hook lures until I get another rod. Crankbait, jerkbait, poppers,spybait, walkinbait etc
 
    3)dobyns SR734c w/Zillion sv tw 7.3:1 currently has 12lb seaguar invizx.

    4)phenix feather 6'9" mh xf w/slx dc 7.2:1 currently has 14lb trilene xl. Will be used with mainly smaller single hook applications. Plastics,jigs,chatter,spinner

What size braid would you recommended for each setup?


I also have two spinning reel setups that I use for dropshot, wacky, ned, shacky. That I have some really cheap 6lb mono spooled on..
 
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: ike8120 on September 29, 2020, 04:37:26 AM
I only use a backing if the reel is not braid ready.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Bassinlou on September 29, 2020, 04:47:37 AM
What line size are you all using??
   

I'm set up like this:

Frogging: 50lbs PP (Power Pro)
Pitching/punching: 65lbs PP
Swimbaits, Swimjigs, T-rig's: 40-50lb PP, depending on the cover
Cranks, spinnerbaits: 30lb PP

Spinning Outfits: 20lb PP
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Oldfart9999 on September 29, 2020, 06:32:37 AM
I used to swear by leaders with braid but after reading what Bo thought about it along with several other folks here I tried using straight braid and won't go back, I didn't find any loss of bites. The only place I use a leader is on my dropshot, I like stretch in the rig. I do use mono but as a leader.
Rodney
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: SteveTX on September 29, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
What line size are you all using??
    1) dobyns FR735c with tatula150 7.3:1 has suffix 832 50lb, for flippin,froggin sometimes jig swimbait.
   
    2)dobyns FR705cb w/Revo3 winch 5.4:1 currently has 12lb Trilene sensation. This setup will be used for all my treble hook lures until I get another rod. Crankbait, jerkbait, poppers,spybait, walkinbait etc
 
    3)dobyns SR734c w/Zillion sv tw 7.3:1 currently has 12lb seaguar invizx.

    4)phenix feather 6'9" mh xf w/slx dc 7.2:1 currently has 14lb trilene xl. Will be used with mainly smaller single hook applications. Plastics,jigs,chatter,spinner

What size braid would you recommended for each setup?


I also have two spinning reel setups that I use for dropshot, wacky, ned, shacky. That I have some really cheap 6lb mono spooled on..

1.) Id leave as is with Suffix 832 50lb unless I was really going into fish some really heavy stuff then I up mine to 65lb.
2.) Id also leave as is with 12lb Trilene sensation
3.) Id also leave as is with 12lb Seaguar Invizx but when it was time to respool it would get Suffix 832 30 or 40lb braid.
4.) Id also leave as is with 14lb trilene xl but when it was time to respool it would get Suffix 832 30 or 40lb braid.
I wouldn't waste the line on the reels if its good. I always try and conserve my $ so I can buy more tackle.  ;D

As for the two spinning reel setups you use for dropshot, wacky, ned, and shaky stuff I would again get Suffix 832 in 10 to 20lb test. I admit that I don't throw finesse baits though so I really don't have experience to say its optimal for these when using really light weight baits. Someone else may have a better answer based on their experience.

All of my braid these days I get in Hi-Vis Yellow or my new favorite color Neon Lime. I highly recommend them as a line watcher its very helpful and I feel has really added catches for me.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: big g on September 29, 2020, 11:49:08 AM
I only use braid for flipping and pitching thick veggies, and for frog fishing thick cover.  I use 100% floro when casting all plastics.  Because our water are very clear because of all the veggies, floro helps with increasing my bites on drop offs and open waters.  Floro is very sensitive, tough, and not as visible under water.  Braid would be OK in dirty and heavy stained waters, not found in my waters. :-*
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: FlatsNBay on October 08, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
Most pros will use fluorocarbon for worm fishing (casting a worm, not flipping/pitching). They all feel that they may get an extra bite or two by the end of the day. It was something that I noticed when working on magazine articles while interviewing or fishing with a pro. I always specifically asked them  because I thought it was interesting. Even the ones without a line sponsor (or in between line sponsorship) that I've delt with mentioned that they believe in getting an extra bite or two with f/c.

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Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: WTodd on October 08, 2020, 01:08:58 PM
Well most pros have 20+ rods in their boats so they can afford to have many different configurations


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Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Mossback on October 08, 2020, 01:51:49 PM
 I fish straight braid and out fish all of the people that I fish with, they all say I should fish flouro. It's silly listening to them try to justify their choices, while I keep setting hooks.

 And getting a good hook set is paramount where I'm fishing, long casts get my bait to where the fish are, say 70 to 80 feet. Flouro acts like a rubber band. With braid I'm driving that hook home.

Hang ups are another problem for me with flouro, with braid I wrap line around my arm and give a good tug, bait comes free.  Flouro I have to walk ten feet and then the knot breaks = lost bait.

Top water I will at most tie on a three foot leader to help with fouling.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: BassNat on October 09, 2020, 05:52:48 AM
I only use a backing if the reel is not braid ready.

Ike, what does “braid ready” mean?
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Oldfart9999 on October 09, 2020, 06:11:47 AM
Ike, what does “braid ready” mean?
Older reels didn't have a way to tie off braid so when you spooled it without a backer it would spin on the spool. Different ways were brought out by users to eliminate it, putting a layer of tape down and using a backer. Most reels now have a way to tie it off so it doesn't spin on the spool.
Rodney
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Dink Dawg on October 09, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
FRogs and swim jig only. ;PEP)
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: chrisD46 on October 28, 2020, 04:17:12 PM
I'm set up like this:

Frogging: 50lbs PP (Power Pro)
Pitching/punching: 65lbs PP
Swimbaits, Swimjigs, T-rig's: 40-50lb PP, depending on the cover
Cranks, spinnerbaits: 30lb PP

Spinning Outfits: 20lb PP
*This is a very interesting concept for bait casters I have and sure would simplify matters . Here are my current spinning set ups and what I would propose for bait caster set ups :

Spinning :

Ned Rig :  8 lb ~ 10 lb PP
Drop Shot : 10 lb. PP (with 6 lb. ~ 8 lb. FC leader)
Shaky Head : 10 lb. ~ 15 lb. PP (with 8 lb. ~ 10 lb. FC leader)
Flukes : 10 lb. ~ 15 lb. PP (with 10 lb. FC leader)
Small Swim Baits (3.3 / 3.8 Keitechs) :  10 lb. ~ 15 lb. PP (with #10 lb. FC leader)
Top Water Poppers (Small) 10 lb. ~ 15 lb. PP (with 10 lb. Mono leader)

Bait Casting :
Frogs : 50 lb. PP
Toads :  40 lb PP
Buzz Bait 40 lb. PP
Walking / Wake Baits : 30 lb. PP (with 15 lb. Mono leader)
Poppers (Large) 30 lb. PP (15 lb. Mono leader)
Whopper Plopper 130   40 lb. ~ 50 lb.  PP
Cranks : 30 lb. PP (with 10 lb. ~ 12 lb. FC leader)
Spinner Baits / Chatterbaits : 40 lb. PP (with 15 lb. 17 lb.  FC leader)
T-Rig Worms : 30 lb. PP (with 12 lb. ~ 15 lb. FC leader)
C-Rig Worms : 40 lb. PP (with 15 lb. ~ 17 lb. FC leader)
Pitching : 40 lb. PP
Flipping 65 lb. PP
Swimbaits (Larger 4.8 Keitechs) :  30 lb. (with 12 lb. FC leader)

Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: WTodd on October 28, 2020, 04:22:55 PM
IMO those weights for the spinning set-ups are too light; the spider webs we encounter are a minimum of 20 lb


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Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Bassinlou on October 28, 2020, 04:46:24 PM
IMO those weights for the spinning set-ups are too light; the spider webs we encounter are a minimum of 20 lb


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Hell... those spider webs have stopped a casting frog dead in its tracks.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Pferox on October 28, 2020, 09:07:45 PM
IMO those weights for the spinning set-ups are too light; the spider webs we encounter are a minimum of 20 lb


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We have that same problem here in Texas, 20lb braid is for ultralight stuff.

I bought a big spool of 8lb Pline tough stuff (whatever they call it) for bait rods, don't know how many times those bait fish broke that stuff off.   ~xyz
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: chrisD46 on October 30, 2020, 05:49:50 PM
IMO those weights for the spinning set-ups are too light; the spider webs we encounter are a minimum of 20 lb


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*I'm experimenting with #8 lb. Power Pro - most people would not go down that low . Conversely , some Midwest Finesse purists I know who consider any Ned Jig head heavier than 1/16th oz. as "Power Nedding" routinely use #5 lb. and #8 lb. Power Pro with #5 lb. and #6 lb. FC leaders up on Ozark lake like Table Rock and Bull Shoals . My fall back braid size for Ned Rigging would be #10 lb. PP if the #8 results in too many break offs . #15 lb. braid is my Shaky Head main line braid size.
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: WTodd on October 30, 2020, 06:25:00 PM
Fishing where you fish is quite different than here in FL so I can understand being more finesse; here because of everything in the water it’s a power game.


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Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: caddyjoe77 on October 30, 2020, 11:33:17 PM
pretty much braid on everything...except a reel I skip with.  For me. skipping braid way up under a dock doesnt work well. 

Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: chrisD46 on December 04, 2020, 04:40:35 AM
What line size are you all using??
    1) dobyns FR735c with tatula150 7.3:1 has suffix 832 50lb, for flippin,froggin sometimes jig swimbait.
   
    2)dobyns FR705cb w/Revo3 winch 5.4:1 currently has 12lb Trilene sensation. This setup will be used for all my treble hook lures until I get another rod. Crankbait, jerkbait, poppers,spybait, walkinbait etc
 
    3)dobyns SR734c w/Zillion sv tw 7.3:1 currently has 12lb seaguar invizx.

    4)phenix feather 6'9" mh xf w/slx dc 7.2:1 currently has 14lb trilene xl. Will be used with mainly smaller single hook applications. Plastics,jigs,chatter,spinner

What size braid would you recommended for each setup?


I also have two spinning reel setups that I use for dropshot, wacky, ned, shacky. That I have some really cheap 6lb mono spooled on..
*For #2 above try #30 ~ #40 lb. Power Pro with a 14" length leader of #15 lb. Berkley Big Game Mono (if you still have - the Triline #14 lb. XL would also work) .
For #4 above use the same #30 lb. ~ #40 lb. with #15 lb. InvizX FC leader length of 14" ~ 18" .
Title: Re: Straight braid for all techniques??
Post by: Blacknredflake on January 12, 2021, 10:26:23 PM
Glad to know Im not the only all braid user 8n the world lol

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