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Title: Braided Line
Post by: Ron Fogelson on January 27, 2005, 08:37:02 AM
Why is it that braided line cuts in on its self so bad?  Do all braids do this or are some better then others?
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: bass1cpr on January 27, 2005, 08:43:51 AM
Fogy it does happen alot with braided line. Try putting more tension on the line when your spooling it up this helps. Spooling it up really tight. It takes longer to spool this way but that should help your problem.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: bassadict69 on January 27, 2005, 08:46:35 AM
I recently tried the Power Pro on my worm rod. I did not like it at all. I usually did good to flip it 5 feet because the line had cut into itself on the reel. Not to mention losing quite a few fish on the hookset because the line would break.

Shawn spooled some up a couple of weeks ago. He hasn't had any trouble & loves it.  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Ron Fogelson on January 27, 2005, 12:13:16 PM
Because it cuts in on it self do you recomend using it with a baitcaster or openface, does it matter?
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on January 27, 2005, 12:19:49 PM
I have been using braided line for 30 years or more...and yes, some braids are better than others...but, bass1cpr is correct, spooling it up tighter initially is extremely helpful later on...the only problems with braids that I've come across is that some cast like a dream and others really inhibit the length of your cast.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Ron Fogelson on January 27, 2005, 12:51:04 PM
I like using braids for fishing pad fields & around boat docks & bridge pillions.  So most of what I do is pitch.  Its not as long as casting but close, so the trouble for me isn't on the spool-up as I do, do it tightly, its after several pitches and then I get a slight to heavy snag on the retrieve and the line sinks in & then on the next pitch/cast I have to throw out in the open until I get to the part that's stuck & then pull it out by hand and then real back in & then pitch to the next spot I want to fish.  Just a lot of work to deal with & was wondering if say some of the new round braids that are coated are better then say Spiderwire that I used in the past.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: bass1cpr on January 27, 2005, 01:06:19 PM
 i like braids better for spinning but here's a little trick if your not making long casts with braids. Let out some line maybe double the length of your longest pitch, take a peace of tape and lay it across the spool lay another on the opposite side now wind up your line. When it tries to dig in it will only go as deep as the tape hope this helps. I only do this on bait casters. Abu Garcia use to have a cross wrap spooling design on some of their reels which were said to work better with the braidw when they first came out. I'ts not reall necessary now days with the new braids out on the market. I use to use Raptor braid on my carolina rigs. It's a micro dynema line the same as fireline without the coating makeing it more supple. I'm not sure they stil make it but Power Pro is very similar to Raptor only it 's a spectra fiber.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on January 27, 2005, 01:16:33 PM
Yeah I'm using Spider Wire now, but I'm not too satisfied with it, doesn't cast well until I'm able to get that coating off of it...a supple line casts and handles better than the wiry stuff.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: OHbassaholic on January 28, 2005, 12:36:09 AM
The Stren SuperBraid is reported as top-notch.  I had the chance to field test it just prior to it's release to the public.  Not having used braided lines prior to that opportunity, I found that it reduced my pitching distance quite a bit.  I found out later that once the coating wore off, it casts very well.  I use it mostly for flipping and short distance pitching into thick cover and lillypads.

As I was reading the posts from the last couple of days I was also reminded about the electric tape trick.  But I see that bass1cpr beat me to the post.  It does work quite well.  I have made it a habit to tell that little gem to every customer I have that is getting a first baitcaster or any veteran anglers that have deep bird's nest challenges.  Heh!  I even do this with our demo combos in the store...
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on January 28, 2005, 07:11:29 AM
Thanks for the tip on the line, but due to the fact that I'm basically a shore-bound angler, I'm still looking for the perfect braid that allows long accurate casts right after it's been spooled...It takes much too long to lose the coating on some of the braids.

Years ago, Cortland made such a braid...it was a chamoflaged braid too, so it worked well not only in stained water, but clear water as well...loved it, it was supple right off of the spool and strong...I once snagged my bait onto a 12' long log that was stuck in the mud and was able with the help of a friend to pull the log to where I was standing and retrieve my bait - and that was with 10 lb. test line...awesome.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: bass1cpr on January 31, 2005, 10:28:09 PM
 That Cortland line was Dacron line. I also used it to wrap the handle of my Que Stick when I was in high school. It was a flat sided line as most dacron lines were. PowerPro is a good casting Super Braid Fisaholic. No coating on it and it's a spectra fiber like spider wire.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on January 31, 2005, 11:02:12 PM
OK bass1cpr I'd like to try that PowerPro stuff out...could you tell me who makes it and where I can get my hands on some? :)
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: FisherMOM on January 31, 2005, 11:13:29 PM
I LOVE Power Pro!  I got it at Gander MTN!
I looked it up...seems it's made by... Power Pro  :)
I use 20 pound test.

LOVE IT!  It got me some nice bass that were getting tangled in the muck and gunk this spring  After losing 2 nice fish, I spooled up with Power Pro.. WAM!  I am holding a NICE BASS!

(http://thefishermom.com/albums/Bass/Bass.jpg)


and another....

(http://thefishermom.com/albums/Bass/17half.jpg)


and another....

(http://thefishermom.com/albums/Bass/15_G.jpg)


and some carp too

(http://thefishermom.com/albums/opening/Susan_22_5_carp.jpg)

(http://thefishermom.com/albums/opening/carp_26_inches.jpg)

Even David, my husband caught a carp on Power Pro.. he says it's the best
line in the world!  haha.. He doesn't fish much, but I agree, it's great!

(http://thefishermom.com/albums/opening/David_amazed.jpg)
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Ron Fogelson on February 01, 2005, 10:42:59 PM
I might have to try this Power Pro stuff FM, nice looking fish.   ~c~

OK, my question still remains unanswered, is there a brand of braid that doesn't cut in on it self?  I love the strength it has & most I've tried casts comparably or better then mono (IMHO) but I hate that I have to strip it out after every hook set or snag.  I understand the concept of the tape & will try that next time on the water, but if my Stren mono did that I wouldn't put up with it & would change brands.  So why do we have to put up with it with braid? Or I'm I just the only one that is having this much trouble?

Fogy
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: BIG PAPA on February 01, 2005, 10:50:36 PM
Fogy I have not found a braid that does not do that. There may be one out there though.
But as I only manage to set the hook a few times a day it never has been a problem. ;D

papa ~an~
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: cmegee on February 07, 2005, 01:34:10 PM
somebody better call the  PoPo
somebody done stole the spot off of Fishermom's red fish :roll2:
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: steve1 on February 28, 2005, 10:29:58 AM
The suggestions are good about making it go on tighter, but we have used every braid made, and recently they have changed the manufacturing process for some braids and they are way better than before. We use 2 types with good success. McCoy and Stren Superbraid. We also use P-Line in various combinations from Fluro to co polymer, etc.. and found the PLINE to be good as well.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Coonhound on March 17, 2005, 01:31:26 PM
I only fish Abu Garcia Ambassador reels...with the way they wind my SpiderWire, i've never really had this problem.

When i spool it, i spool about 1/4 of the reel with some backer line...generally 10lb. "whatever is laying around" line. When i start with the SpiderWire, i make sure i spool it as tight as i can, making sure the line guide (the fairlead, for lack of better word) trails the line all the way across the spool in both directions, and at a pretty good angle. IMO, the more i can get the line to spool at an angle perpendicular to the wrap before it, the stronger a base it creates.

Really, the only time i have a problem with it digging in to itself (if this is even the same problem y'all are having), is when i hang up and attemp to break off or straighten my hook.

That crap is like winch cable!

Anyway, I generally use the 10/50 SpiderWire in moss green. Works like a champ for me...love it particularly for top water, so when 'feeling' for the fish before i set the hook i don't have the stretch of mono that lets good strikes go by.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: cmegee on March 18, 2005, 04:12:16 PM
has anyone had fading problems,
fixed this. Dip the line in black spike-it dye. works all day long...
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: fishing nut on March 18, 2005, 05:15:57 PM
Didn't care for Stren super braid, i used it for about a month and it was nothing but trouble, it knotted up real easy when retrieving with little tension it also had that cutting problem. Power pro is much better and it is the only braid i use. The only negative is that it is a little noisy when going through the guides and onto the reel but no biggie. I have not had a "cutting" problem with this line unless i try to cut it with scissors. i like the 6-20 on spinning but prefer mono on bait casting.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: billfromtx on March 22, 2005, 02:36:14 PM
I've tried almost every brand of braid out there and found the Stren Super Braid to be about the best of the bunch.  I use the big stuff, 30#-60#,and all the braids cut into thereselves when you hang up but Stren seems to do it the least... ;)

Bill 8)
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: OHbassaholic on March 23, 2005, 08:15:37 PM
I'm just wondering, doesn't anybody else use a length of dowel or something similar to wrap their line around when trying to pull at a hang-up?  I carry a 6" piece in my tackle bag just for this and have never had a problem with my lines cutting into the spool. 
Why would anyone want to put that extra stress on a rod and reel? 
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: DJ on March 23, 2005, 10:23:46 PM
doesn't anybody else use a length of dowel or something similar to wrap their line around when trying to pull at a hang-up?  I carry a 6" piece in my tackle bag just for this and have never had a problem with my lines cutting into the spool. 
Why would anyone want to put that extra stress on a rod and reel? 

Ahhh haaa  ........   Great idea, that could be the total answer.  But tell me,  what's the best knot to use on braid  ? 
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: bass1cpr on March 23, 2005, 10:32:34 PM
 A palomar is the most used knot for braided line there is a double palomar but I can'texplain how to tie it. I use an improved clinch knot with an overhand knot tied in the tag end after cinching it down. If it does slip then the overhand knot will stop any further slipping.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: DJ on March 24, 2005, 10:42:50 AM
I am getting the feeling that doubling the braided line before threading it thru the eye of a lure is a better idea.   The Improved Clinch, which I have always used,   doesn't do this.  Unless someone comes up with something better, I think that I am going to start using the Palomar.

Thanks for your input.

> DJ 
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: bass1cpr on March 24, 2005, 07:41:21 PM
An improved clinch passes thru the eye of the hook tiwce also. 
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: billfromtx on March 29, 2005, 06:33:46 AM
I always tie a polymar with great success...Haven't tried another knot.

Bill 8)
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Tim Kelly on April 07, 2005, 02:14:33 AM
The answer with braided line is to use a diameter similar to the mono you would have used in a similar situation. Braid tends to dig in because we use a lower diameter and expect to be able to pull on it as hard as the stated breaking strength, so the finer line digs in to itself. If you go for 12lb mono, use 50lb braid, you get all the sensitivity advantages and none of the hassles. It is important to manage your line well on the spool to. Wind it on reasonably tightly and make sure there are no half unpicked backlashes underneath it while you're fishing.
To pull for a break either wrap the line round a dowel, landing net handle etc and pull or wrap it round a boat cleat and back off. If you can avoid letting the wraps of line cross over each other the line should give at the bait or snag, or more likely the hook will open up.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Mike Cork on April 07, 2005, 09:31:46 AM
very good point Tim ~c~ I had never thought about the fact that the line is quite a bit thinner and of course it would dig into it's self easier :-*
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on April 27, 2005, 08:08:15 PM
I.ve experienced the same problems y'all have with the cuttin in when I was using baitcasters, the dowel trick works well, I carry one of those cuttin forcepts and the padded handle works well for this, another thing that is important is not to over do it with the drag, too much drag will cut in also.
I have yet to experience any problems with a spinning reel, I wonder if braid was origionally designed for these reels and baitcasters were an after thought.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Mike Cork on April 27, 2005, 09:17:34 PM
That's a good idea to carry a small dowel with you  :-* That will definately be in the boat next time out.

I agree all the issues with Braid seem to be with Baitcasters and spinning reels do seem to be a way around all of them :-\
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: OHbassaholic on April 28, 2005, 11:52:21 PM
There's a cool gizmo some of you might like to see for spinning reels and braided or super lines at superspools.com.

Mike, I'm surprised you hadn't picked up on that dowel trick from posts I made in the contest threads before.  I can definitely attest to the dowel helping with the digging in problem but the main reason for my picking up the idea was the deep cuts in my hand from trying to pull on hang-ups.  ~xyz
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on April 29, 2005, 04:47:11 AM
Ohiobassaholic, that superspool is a neat idea.  :-*  I agree with you on the cuts, I forget to get my dowell at least once a fishing trip. When salt water fishin, I am constantly reminded about my mistake when I put my hand in the bait bucket.  :o
Another thing that you have to insure is that the guides have no snags at all, especially the tip, I have been thinking about changing my rod tips to titanium, it is a little costly but I think well worth the effort.
I won't mention names, ~shhh  but a fishin buddy damaged a tip on a rod, and it looked and felt ok, but it had a small chip in it that I didn't see, when the rod bent under pressure from a fish, the line cut off at the tip cleaner than I could do it with scissors, wow was I surprised at how such a little thing can have such a big effect.  :o
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: OHbassaholic on April 29, 2005, 08:03:09 AM
I haven't been on that site in quite some time.  Are those spools only available for the rear drag shimanos still? 
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: OHbassaholic on April 29, 2005, 08:10:45 AM
Yep, looks like two reels only.  Solstace 2000RG and the Solstace 4000RG by SHIMANO.  When I last spoke with Harry Cribb the inventor about a year ago, he was hoping to expand to other reels.  Guess he didn't get to it yet.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on April 30, 2005, 08:29:03 PM
I was lookin at that, looks like applyin that to a front drag reel might get kind of complicated since pressure on the drag would also put pressure on the whole assembly.
It is a good idea tho, I'm not much for rear drag reels, hope he can get it straightned out and applied to some of the other brands of front drag reels.
Oh yea I actually had a palomar knot fail on 20lb vanish today. It was the 4th cat I pulled in. It was funny cause as I was bringin that cat in I said to myself that I will retie after this one. I didn't loose the fish cause it broke as I already had him on the bank.
The failure was at the loops around the hook. I started retying after every 3rd fish and had no further problems. This particular lake is awsome, the cats fight and jump like bass, so there is alot of stress on the line, its been that way ever since I have started to fish there.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: bigbro on May 05, 2005, 09:32:11 PM
i only use spinning reels and have braided line on all but three of them and i like power pro best but the problem i am having is that after about 100 cast the whole spool loosen up and when i set the hook or pull on a snag the line comes off the reel without the bail turning so i can crank and crank all day and will not be able to put any line back on the reel i have never had that problem with mono
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on May 06, 2005, 09:32:57 AM
Big bro, are u using mono backing? You also have to spool it extremely tight. I use couple of feet of mono tied to the spool and then to the braid, then wind it on the spool, then it dosen't spin. When it starts to loosen up make a ling cast, put a little tension on the line and reel it in, all better.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: bigbro on May 09, 2005, 05:23:47 PM
thanks, i will try tieing on mono first.  I talked to a friend and he saie that he wraps electrical tape on his spool first and the braded line bites into it and won't slip i think i will try that too
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on May 09, 2005, 05:37:54 PM
I have never tried the tape fix but know a few who have and like it. I don't like the glue being that close to my reel guts. Ya have to be a little more conscious of your drag too, otherwise the line can cut into the spool and negatively effect casting performance. I think it is worth the investment, I have a reel which I just checked and it has power pro on it for over 2 years, and still goin strong, cant beat that.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: OHbassaholic on May 09, 2005, 06:25:23 PM
I finally got around to spooling up a couple reels with Power Pro.  It casts like a dream!  I've had 2 outings with them and am very satisfied with the casting results for both casting and pitching. 
I still have the same opinion about needing to be careful what types of cover and structure you are fishing around while in tournament conditions.  When it comes to slowing down to retrieve a lure that you cannot break off, it's time wasted.  I will continue to use the Power Pro for practice sessions and when fishing lillypads during the T.
IMHO, the Power Pro casts much better than Stren Superbraid with the same abrasion resistance and other good attributes. 
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on May 09, 2005, 06:34:03 PM
I was talked into trying the PowerPro line by bass1cpr. Initially, I had problems with the line breaking too easily, but now that approximately 20 feet or so of line has been removed from the spool, I haven't had any problems whatsoever...in fact, today I got my first backlash in 8 trips out with the stuff...it's super strong, sensitive, great casting (I can easily cast a weightless worm 50 feet) and it sheds the water nicely before it hits the reel.

I picked up some LockT line to try, but now that the kinks seem to be worked out with the PowerPro, I have no reason to change.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: OHbassaholic on May 09, 2005, 06:41:27 PM
Breaking too easily!?!  You must not be using the 20 and 30 pt that I have been.  Either that or you are built like Arnold Swartzakitty.

I have seen others saying that braid is easier to pick out backlashes.  I agree.  I had a bit of a time getting the tension set just right while using this stuff...
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on May 09, 2005, 06:48:12 PM
OHbassaholic...it's not breaking anymore, not since I took 20 feet off the spool.

I'm using the 30 lb. test line...and as to the backlash, my first was today while casting into a 30 mph wind...one backlash in 60 hours of fishing isn't too bad.

I make it a habit to adjust my spool tension for every lure change, even if it's the same type of lure (adjustments can waiver), and if I would have adjusted my magnets a little stronger today, I probably still wouldn't have had a backlash.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on May 09, 2005, 06:53:23 PM
That is true guys, but when it backlashes, it don't fool around, and is real tuff to clear out it bein that supple and thin and all.
My buddy won't use it, he says I am fishin with dental floss.  lo
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on May 09, 2005, 06:58:15 PM
Haven't had any problems with that yet, so I can't comment...but I picked up a few "solving backlash problems" hints since I've been here and am no longer really complaining about the backlash problems.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: OHbassaholic on May 09, 2005, 07:17:19 PM
OHbassaholic...it's not breaking anymore, not since I took 20 feet off the spool.

You have my curiosity up.  What do you attribute the original 20 feet breaking off to?
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on May 09, 2005, 07:53:59 PM
I have no idea, but it could have been a defect caused in the line when it was put on the spool...perhaps a worn component in the manufacturers equipment...can only hypothesize on that.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on May 09, 2005, 08:04:33 PM
Fish, I had the same thing happen on end of spools on both power pro and fireline, but luckily, I noticed it while spooling, it has a slight diffenence in color too. When I looked real close it looked like it was smashed flat. I was going to inspect it with the microscope at work but never did.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: OHbassaholic on May 10, 2005, 09:27:29 AM
This is the type of thing I'm sure the manufacturer would like to be made aware of.  It needs fixed!
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: bassmaster_mercury on May 10, 2005, 04:42:17 PM
hey fogy.  i have tried a couple braided lines from companys such as Gorilla Braid, Power Pro, and Fireline.  i have had the same problems that you have.  the best one out of the three though was power pro.  also, with braided lines, you will eventually find little slice marks in your first rod eye.  this is due to the fact that braided lines are extremely tough, and durable.  i now use Rapala line, which i have had no problems with.  Rapala mono line has almost no memory as well. give rapala a try and let me know what you think about it.  your in good fishing,
steve
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on May 10, 2005, 04:46:42 PM
Not all manufacturers want to know that there might be something wrong with their product...but I think they should want to know
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on May 10, 2005, 04:49:05 PM
I haven't experienced the wear problem with my rods and have use braid of one type of another over two years, I am not a pro angler but I do fish close to every wekend.
The only problem I ever encountered with braid was when I had a minute chip in a tip caused by somebody who will remain nameless closing the front door on a rodtip numerous times.
That rod tip cut that line cleaner than I could do with my custom sharpened scisors. It took me 4 casts and cut offs to figure out the problem.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on May 10, 2005, 04:52:44 PM
Fortunately, that's an easy fix...just replace the defective component.

I also have been using braid exclusively on my baitcasters for several years now and with no ill effects on my equipment...and I fish when it's warm at least 5 times a week! Could it have anything to do with the type of guides on the rod?
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on May 10, 2005, 04:58:54 PM
I don't know Fish, but I am thinking of going to titanium tips just in case. I do know the harder the guides the better it has to be.
Somebody at work mentioned that sand content might effect it, making it more abrsive, dunno but I use the line in salt water so there has to be sand and abrasive salt crystals in it and I haven't had any problems with it.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Fishaholic on May 10, 2005, 05:02:02 PM
I do know that a lot of rods that have aluminum oxide guides don't have the ceramic guide for the tiptop...they use a carboloy guide there...the rod I'm using with the braids has ceramic guides only.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on May 10, 2005, 05:06:32 PM
Ya know what come to think of it all my rods have ceramic or stainless steel guides, you may have somethin there fish.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: LochRaven05 on July 14, 2005, 09:46:44 PM
i switched from spiderwire to fireline this year and ive had no problems with the fireline. it frays less, casts well, and i havent had any trouble with it cutting itself.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on July 15, 2005, 04:08:57 AM
Yea Loch, Fireline works pretty good.
I spool Sharon's reels with the Pink Fireline.
Its a little stiff compared to the Ripcord plus that I use but it isn't alll that bad.
All in all Fireline works much better than spyderwire for sure.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: silversalmon on July 16, 2005, 02:23:34 AM
Hey Pferox what was the name of that line we were talkin about on Ventrilio, cannot remember what you told me for the cold salt water , and did not write it down like I should have ~rant ~rant darn jet fuel lo
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on July 16, 2005, 07:37:32 AM
I use Ripcord Plus Xtra body, from cabella's, Berkley's gorilla line works good to. Don't pannick tho if you line starts to look like a catipellar, it is still strong stuff.
It has a dacron tracer in it and that does make it lots stronger and more resistant to salt.
I ain't sure if we get as cold as you do, but it is worth the try.
I was thinkin of going straight dacron on my heavier rods, but havn't heard much about it. Maybe we should start a thread on that one.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: silversalmon on July 17, 2005, 02:30:50 PM
Thanks, and now it is written down for me lo :-*
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on July 17, 2005, 02:37:26 PM
NO prob bud.  8)
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: avid on July 17, 2005, 11:58:42 PM
Getting started with braid can be really frustrating, especially if you like to work the baits the way I do.  The braid wraps around the rod tip.  I find that power pro in 50# is the best so far. 
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on July 18, 2005, 03:47:11 AM
Avid, that's interesting, cause I haven't had that problem with Power Pro, are you usin a baitcaster or a spinner.
If it is a spinning reel you need to check that the little bearing on the bail is moving freely, cause it sounds like excessive twist or it could be wind winding it up on a loose line.
You might want to try a good ball bearing swivle and a leader.
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: silversalmon on July 18, 2005, 07:52:21 PM
Absolutely, always used a swivel with the large test braided line, I tried not using a swivel once and well, I was re-spooling :'(
Title: Re: Braided Line
Post by: Pferox on July 19, 2005, 03:44:42 AM
When Snook fishin, I use power pro, or Ripcord and just tie on a shock leader with a uni-knot splice.
It works pretty good, if most of my bass rods didn't have such  ~xyz small guides on em I would do it that way too.

Fireline and spyderwire seem to be flatter, and it is almost mandatory to have a swivle.

Of course this comes from my limited experience with the stuff.