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Title: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: ultimix on July 25, 2007, 06:05:02 PM
I put this on my Shimano about 2 weeks ago - and for some reason it broke in the middle of the reel - I then unwound the line and just used the line from where the break was  - then it broke again - in the middle of the reel.. Was this because I had a loop or something??

Has anyone had a problem with this line etc..

thanks

Mark
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Bassinkorea on July 25, 2007, 06:35:00 PM
You've started something here.
There has been lots of folks around here that have the same issues with Berkley Vanish. For some reason this line does not perform for most people, but I have to say that found this line to be rather strong/good. JMHO  ::)
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Warpath on July 25, 2007, 06:48:59 PM
BIK hit it right on the head, you've started something.  Thats fine though...

I never fell in love with Vanish or Transition.  For me the issue wasn't line breakage in he middle of the spool, but at the knot or on the line on short distance hooksets.  ALL lines have a shock value, meaning they can break under a certain amount of force.  My tolerance for Vanish's shock value at short distances was very minimal.  I switched to Seaguar Carbon Pro,and I have had zero issues. 

I know Vanish redid the formula and a lot of guys swear by it.  But I watched my boater this past weekend break off above the knot on a ten yard cast and lose a 2# smallie on the Ohio River this weekend at a BFL.  I also watched him spool that line out of a new box the night before.  I like Seaguar so much that I have transitioned (no pun intended) over to cranking with fluoro (Seaguar InVisX 10#) on my baitcaster. Honestly, I don't know why I didn't do it sooner.

Eric
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: GotstaFish on July 25, 2007, 07:35:55 PM
You may have gotten an old spool. Supposedly they have reworked the formula to resolve this issue.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: GotstaFish on July 25, 2007, 07:37:45 PM
Oops, sorry Warpath, I just seen you answered this  :)
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: ultimix on July 25, 2007, 07:46:51 PM
This was my FIRST experience with Fluorocarbon so it really left a bad taste in my mouth...I had been reading sooo much good things about it.  It stinks that the one I try breaks on me..:(

Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: ultimix on July 25, 2007, 07:55:51 PM
I did switch to PowerPro Micro Filament Line which I really like so far - but not sure if that is a good line to Carolina Rig or Wiggle Rig

what cha think?
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: GotstaFish on July 25, 2007, 07:57:19 PM
I use power pro for everything.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Buzzman on July 25, 2007, 08:23:52 PM
Fluorocarbon can be a fickle mistress that will tempt you with great properties, but it demands special handling and your regular arsenal of knots will be problematic. Look up the Aaron Martens drop shotting interview on BASS Insider and try his double uni-knot, it solved a lot of the problems I was having.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: topcat on July 25, 2007, 08:46:50 PM
The knot has always been a issue with Vanish for me.....I use Seaguar Carbon Pro and Seaguar Invizx for cranks...its pricey any where from 16.99 up for 200 yd .......

Topcat
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Pferox on July 25, 2007, 09:57:44 PM
I use Vanish only for leaders and check and change it alot.
It is very susceptable to kinking and that will guarantee a breakoff.
Many of the knot failures are due to either heat buildup when tying and cinching the knot down, or kinking the line above the knot when tying it, then subsequently breaking it there.

Interesting thing is that bites from toothy fish didn't seem to be a problem, as to why I cannot explain.

When respooling it is possible to get an un-noticed kink or stress spot which will eventually break, another problem happens if you have a backlash, that can also cause a kink deeper down in the spool.

I'm not saying that is what happened, but those are things I have personally observed with the product.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: ultimix on July 25, 2007, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: Pferox on July 25, 2007, 09:57:44 PM
I use Vanish only for leaders and check and change it alot.
It is very susceptable to kinking and that will guarantee a breakoff.
Many of the knot failures are due to either heat buildup when tying and cinching the knot down, or kinking the line above the knot when tying it, then subsequently breaking it there.

Interesting thing is that bites from toothy fish didn't seem to be a problem, as to why I cannot explain.

When respooling it is possible to get an un-noticed kink or stress spot which will eventually break, another problem happens if you have a backlash, that can also cause a kink deeper down in the spool.

I'm not saying that is what happened, but those are things I have personally observed with the product.


I am almost sure I had a backlash and then the kink got deep in the spool thus breaking.  Now would that be a problem with Vanish or Flurocarbon in general??

Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Pferox on July 25, 2007, 10:10:47 PM
Florocarbons in general are not very forgiving to kinks, but I can't say about some of the newer formulas, some of the other guys can give you more information on those.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: clubber on July 26, 2007, 12:28:11 AM
I too only use Vanish for leaders. But I have read about so many people having problems with it breaking, that I have started to go to
P-line for leader material.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Warpath on July 26, 2007, 12:50:35 AM
I know at the Cincy BPS that they carry actual leader material for PLine and other fluoro lines.  Its located below the rows and rows of line up against the wall.  I "guess" it is meant for leaders onl, and developed from saltwater fishing.  It's usually a small spool of extremely thick leader material. 

I agree with the others that fluoro is very unforgiving.  If you get a loop, look out.  I liberally re-spray my fluoro lines with Reel Magic throughout a day of fishing.  The KVD line conditioner is also very good. 

Eric
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Pferox on July 26, 2007, 08:47:29 AM
Something to know about leader material in general.

Yes, it was used mostly in salt water and fishing fresh for toothy critters.
Actual leader material is much "heavier", or thicker and is in general more difficult to tie, it also kicks the heck out of the action of a lure. The main idea for leader material is to fight against bite throughs, and heavy abraision around the hook area. Thats why I have gone to lines like Vanish, they are easier to work with, and have almost the same equivalent abrasion and bite resistance..

I personally feel it is great leader material provided you keep its weaknesses in mind and take a little extra care when usin it.

Oh Yea, I use a double uni-knot usually to connect the Vanish to the braid, I have noticed that after a few hangups, or hookups, the tightening action of the uni-knot will literally cut the Floro at the point under the knot. I can't explain the cause, but it has happened a few times for me. I have seen that happen with other leader materials also, so I don't think it is a Floro problem, but more another "quirk" of braids.

I don't remember any negative experiences with Vanish when I used a swivel between the braid and leader.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: GRAPEAPE on July 26, 2007, 08:56:01 AM
I am in the minority here but I never had much trouble with vanish or transition, none that wasn't my fault anyway.  I don't use either anymore because of the price but I had good experiences with both of them.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: bass_101 on July 26, 2007, 10:23:40 AM
I have never used Vanish line just because of all the bad things I've heard about it... I did buy a spool of Yo-Zuri Hybrid 8# and am more than happy with it.  I got my wacky rig snagged in an old christmas tree the other day and drug the darn thing up to the dock! 
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: ultimix on July 26, 2007, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: ultimix on July 25, 2007, 07:55:51 PM
I did switch to PowerPro Micro Filament Line which I really like so far - but not sure if that is a good line to Carolina Rig or Wiggle Rig

what cha think?

Well I did snag my line in a bush the other day and was pulling to get it free.. I had my drag set and everything... and my ALLSTAR rod - snapped!!! right in the middle.  I really wasnt putting too much pressure on it, so it wouldnt mess up my reeland I had just bought is about 3 weeks ago from Dicks and ended up taking it back that night and they let me pick something else out - with out having the receipt. I was very pleased...they were talking about me sending it back etc.. but I told them I didnt want to wait.  I ended up getting a St. Croix Premier instead.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: K-Dub on July 26, 2007, 12:30:03 PM
Frankly I did not like the performance of Vanish on any of my rods.  Trial and error has led me to use P-Line on my spinning reels and XPS Flourocarbon from Bass Pro on my bait casts.  I like light line so I only use 8-12lb test, maybe 17lb on drop shot rig.  No problems with line breaks or any other issues since I changed over a month ago.  Just my .02.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Warpath on July 26, 2007, 12:34:59 PM
K-Dub,

I'm surprised you use such a heavy pound test for drop shot.  I use 8# on spinning reels, and 10# on baitcasters.  I just read were Steve Clapper won an event out of the Detroit River using 8 and 10# Seaguar InViSX just like I am.  He's a noted Lake Erie specialist, so I hope he is fishng our next two BFL's out of Sandusky, and I'd love to draw him as my partner.

Maybe you live in the land of giant bass, and you need 17# test...

Eric
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: K-Dub on July 26, 2007, 12:55:04 PM
Two reasons.  Lake/river current effects light line more than heavier line and less line stretch at depths helps with better hook sets.  Although I only have 10lb test on it right now   ~shhh  dont tell the fish
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Oneslowz28 on July 26, 2007, 01:36:12 PM
I have been using vanish now for 5 years. You dont have to worry about break offs if you wet the line where the knot will be tied. I tie the simple 1 loop knot 4 or 5 times and start fishing. I have never have had a problem. I respool my reels every 30 days. I also check the first 36" or so of line every day before the first cast and after every bad snag. tree limbs and docks can cause alot of abrasion on the line.

I think the problem people have is that they treat the florocarbon like mono. You cant do that. It may look like mono but is a totaly different composition. There are different things you have t watch out for.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: sparky on July 26, 2007, 01:41:28 PM
Caught my biggest snook ever 35inches on 8LB test on the transition crimson red. I had great luck with it but ended up getting power pro because I needed more strength.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Big J on July 26, 2007, 01:42:44 PM
I've seen this topic appear dozens and dozens of times.  I tried it last year and had the same line breaking problem.  I've heard more complaints about this line then any other line.  Try cajun red for a good flourocarbon line.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Pferox on July 26, 2007, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: Big J on July 26, 2007, 01:42:44 PM
I've seen this topic appear dozens and dozens of times.  I tried it last year and had the same line breaking problem.  I've heard more complaints about this line then any other line.  Try cajun red for a good flourocarbon line.


I didn't know Cajun Red came in Floro now.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Big J on July 26, 2007, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: Pferox on July 26, 2007, 01:45:39 PM

I didn't know Cajun Red came in Floro now.

The red color makes it invisible under water.  So its basically flourocarbon
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Oneslowz28 on July 26, 2007, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: Big J on July 26, 2007, 01:50:01 PM
The red color makes it invisible under water.  So its basically flourocarbon

Auctaly it would have to be made of florocarbon to be a florocarbon line. Florocarbon isnt just a name its a chemical composition. Cajun red is just a red mono that doesnt dissapear like they say it does. It just turns darker as the light levels decrease. A true florocarbon has the same light defelecting properties as water and becomes truly invisible under 3" of water.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: sparky on July 26, 2007, 03:59:38 PM
QuoteBerkley Vanish Transition Line
On first inspection, this innovative line appears to be another clear fluorocarbon. But when exposed to sunlight, it "transitions" to either a deep gold or crimson red color for maximum visibility outside the water. Below the surface, it truly lives up to its name and literally vanishes into its surroundings. The result is that fish aren't spooked, and you can detect strikes faster. Built with the same durability and abrasion resistance as other fluorocarbon lines, it's like having two lines in one
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Warpath on July 26, 2007, 04:32:41 PM
I've heard thecomment before that you're not tying it right or not wetting it enough, but that doesn't hold much water with me.  In my case, it was the only line I had trouble with as far as line breakage.  Braid and mono, using the same knot, I had no problems with.  Not trying to pick a fight, but if it figures it was how the knot was tied, it would effect all the lines equally.  That was not the case.

Eric
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Ray L. on July 26, 2007, 06:17:51 PM
Well I guess I should comment on this. I have been reading this thread for a couple of days now to see what anybody has to say.
I am sponsored by Sunline a real fluro line company. Berkley is not. They don't even make there fluro. They can't since there are only 3 factories in the world.
First off. Vanish and transition and Gamma and most of the rest are all miss marked. Check the diameter of it to a real Japanese fluro line. There are strict rules in Japan about marking the pound test to the diameter of the line.
Most lines are a larger diameter than what they should be. If you read 10 pound on most stuff that would be in all reality 12 to 14 pound in another country.
Now to the knot break thing. With fluro do not tie a palamar knot it will break every time. Try a san diego knot or a trilene knot or something like that.
As far as some other stuff on this thread about breaking inside the spool I am not sure how that is happening but I will say if you are on spinning make sure you use a large spool reel for the line. The fluro works better that way and is easier to manage. The 1 thing it could be is you have a small loop inside and it is getting friction on it and just breaks over time.
Now with the price of fluro. I will say you get what you pay for in this market. Check out who is fishing what and you will see what is up. Some of the biggest names are fishing Sunline. Some are fishing Gamma but let me tell you they are 1 that miss marks and also they don't even make there own product.
I would say to by the best you can get because the line is all there is between you and a check in a tournament.     
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: skeeter944 on July 27, 2007, 11:38:18 AM
Ok, I have been using the Vanish Transition for about 9 months, and I have never broken a fish off. I use 8lb-17lb and I use it for all my Soft plastcis and Jigs. It is very sensative to kinks though, so I retie often. I use a palomar knot and wet it alot then sinch it down very very very slowly.  It is a good line IMO, and I will continue to use it.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: WRBass on July 27, 2007, 12:00:24 PM
When Berkley first introduced their Vanish line and followed with Transition, I bought into it and gave them a try, because I like Berkley lines. The original Vanish and Transition where poor quality products. Berkley tried to correct the problems and came out with "Improved" marked on the boxes and the line was a little better, but still failed randomly.
I then tried Yo-Zuri hybrid and P-Line had better success, bit lost sensitivity. Sunline finally came out with suppliers for the general public that has has reasonable prices.  About two years now I have been using Sunline Shooter for 100% fluoro applications and BASS III for hybrid applications and highly recommend both.
The Palomar knot isn't a good knot for fluorocarbon because it can reduce the cross section when you cinch it down, the Uni knot or San Diego knot is a better choice. The biggest issues with fluorocarbon line is the fact that it is water proof, does not absorb water. You need a line dressing with fluoro's, I use TangleFree and plan to try KVD's dressing, I do not recommend ReelMagic, it's messy and gums up your reel and stains carpets.
WRB
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Ray L. on July 28, 2007, 09:31:59 AM
would like to try tangle free. Where can you get it? The K.V.D. is good. At least better than reel magic.
Some are telling me the k.v.d. stuff breaks down fluro. I am not sure as I have not had a problem yet.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Red Ranger on July 28, 2007, 09:47:29 AM
I'll admit I'm not the easiest guy on line, but I've never had very much luck with any brand of the flourocarbon line.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Ray L. on July 28, 2007, 11:00:41 AM
what do you mean not much luck?
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: WRBass on July 30, 2007, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: Ray L. on July 28, 2007, 09:31:59 AM
would like to try tangle free. Where can you get it? The K.V.D. is good. At least better than reel magic.
Some are telling me the k.v.d. stuff breaks down fluro. I am not sure as I have not had a problem yet.
Cabela's sells has it, Google "TangleFree"
WRB
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: topcat on July 30, 2007, 10:39:20 AM
Ray L. I use KVD all the time and I have never experienced my fluorocarbon breaking down by using KVD.......I don't know who started that ....but from my experience using KVD on Fluoro I would say thats is false...try it you have nothing to lose and if it dose break down fluoro then you will have saved yourself a lot of money because it is a very expensive line......

Topcat
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Ray L. on July 30, 2007, 11:52:29 AM
Hey Top Cat... I am sponsored by Sunline.... I have tried it already on my Fluro. It works fine for me. I was just saying something I heard at I Cast....
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: WRBass on July 30, 2007, 12:11:35 PM
What I like about TangleFree is the 2 oz squeeze bottle fits in your pocket and no mess, just a drop or two on the spooled line and you are ready for an hour or so of casting depending on the wind and temperature. If it's hot, dry and windy then a few drops every 30 minutes works well, as it will evaporate in time. I have been using TangleFree for several years and no negative issues yet on any line type.
WRB
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Big J on July 30, 2007, 02:43:07 PM
Quote from: WRBass on July 30, 2007, 12:11:35 PM
What I like about TangleFree is the 2 oz squeeze bottle fits in your pocket and no mess, just a drop or two on the spooled line and you are ready for an hour or so of casting depending on the wind and temperature. If it's hot, dry and windy then a few drops every 30 minutes works well, as it will evaporate in time. I have been using TangleFree for several years and no negative issues yet on any line type.
WRB

I'll have to get some of this tanglefree stuff cause I sure hate tangled line. :bang
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: flippindrew on August 03, 2007, 01:33:26 PM
Not to step on any toes but Berkley Vanish=JUNK.  I have been using P-line flouro for 2 years with ZERO problems.  Drew
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: calincalif50 on August 03, 2007, 01:52:02 PM
I found that if its not at least 17lb and even that broke due to friction it beaks easily.  Even though I got to tying the knot under water to reduce the friction, sometimes it still broke.  Tried for a whole year, result....didn't like it.  Still use the 17lb as a leader on my C-RIG with 25 lb mainline.

JMHO
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Ray L. on August 03, 2007, 01:57:36 PM
what kind of knot are you tying? Knots are very important with fluro.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Pferox on August 03, 2007, 09:07:37 PM
I only use 20lb so can't say about the lighter lines, but I would suspect that they would be more kink sensitive.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Warpath on August 03, 2007, 09:12:16 PM
I have zero issues with tying a knot on fluoro.  I tie a regular trilene knot, but just before I cinch the knot, I pass the tag end through the last loop nearest the eye.  I then spray it with reel magic, and cinch away.

Eric
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Big J on August 03, 2007, 09:17:41 PM
I used Vanish and tied it with the Trilene knot and it broke, broke, and broke.  So I've recently started using P-line and so far it's all right except for the line memory but there is no perfect line.  If there is though, let me know. ;)
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Warpath on August 03, 2007, 09:21:43 PM
I should have mentioned, I use that knot with Seaguar line not Vanish.  Some guys swear by that stuff, but I had nothing but trouble with it.

Eric
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Ray L. on August 03, 2007, 10:44:30 PM
YTou should go to
tackletour.com and read up on the fluro lines. They did all kinds of testing on it. Including knot strength. There are some very good results from this.
I will say the best knot is the snad diego jam knot. It is the best for fluro.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Warpath on August 04, 2007, 06:58:40 AM
I think thats the knot that Jason Quinn uses, but he called it the jam knot only.  I'd go look at it, but I'm aone web site knida guy.   ~an~

I learned from Quinn to use reel magic before cinching down the knot.  It makes it much easier.

Eric
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Ray L. on August 04, 2007, 10:19:27 AM
the full name for the knot is called the san diego jam knot. It is the knot that most pro's use. It has the best knot strength for fluro that I have found.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Warpath on August 04, 2007, 12:49:58 PM
I will have to look it up and give it a try.  Thanks Ray!

Eric
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: calincalif50 on August 06, 2007, 09:37:10 AM
Funny the SDJK should be mentioned, I've been using that on all my lines and didn't even know it, I thought it was an improved clinch not I was tying, I think they are very close in design. :bang
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Baron49 on August 06, 2007, 12:43:48 PM
I had a lot of bad issues with both Vanish and Vanish Transition....finally gave up on both and someone said to try P-Line or Gama.  Tried the P-line Flourocarbon and other then the stiffness of the line it has worked great.  I use 17 pound on jigs and creatures I fish in deep, clear, water weed lines.  It has held up well, but contrary to popular belief flourocarbon line DOES stretch!
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Brendan on August 11, 2007, 12:30:15 PM
Vanish is complete trash. Save yourself the frustration of lost fish and money and buy something decent.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Oneslowz28 on August 12, 2007, 08:38:30 PM
I find this post verry funny. I have been using vannish for over 5 years now. Never lost one fish due to line failure. Lost some due to me not retying the knot every 5 or 6 bass. My PB is a 9-6 on 8 lb vannish. My brother in law caught his 7-4 on 8 lb vannish, my uncle caught his 12-8 on 8 lb vannish. I have caught well over 5000 bass on 8 lb vannish and vanish transitions.

I think the problem is from people treating it like mono. You cannot tie the same knots with florocarbon that you would with mono. You have to wet the line before you chnch the knot. YOu have to condition the line with a line conditioner. You cannot leave the rod in the hot sun for days at the time and expect the line that is visible no to dry rot. You have to treat this stuff like its susposed to be treated. If you check your knots every few fish and check the first 24" of the line every hour or so for abrasion or nicks then you will nto have problems.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Big J on August 12, 2007, 08:42:42 PM
This topic I swear will never die.  I don't like the line. The line kept breaking on me.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: -Shawn- on August 12, 2007, 08:49:14 PM

  I know how to treat floro, I use pline flouro and have never had a problem with it. Vanish on the other hand after the fourth spool, it is junk to me. This is just my experience with it and most of the other feedback I have heard on it.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: BIG PAPA on August 13, 2007, 05:07:44 PM
Been Bass fishing for over 40 years, Know how to wet line, know how to tie a good knot (several of them) know how to check line often, retie often and keep boat in garage. Have never had any real problems with line with the exception of Vanish and one other Berkly line I can't think of the name, it's the one that is super limp.
Both break on the hookset no matter what knot or how I tie it and I am talking about 20 lb. test.
I now just use Seagaur flouro with a plain Double clinch and have no problems.
papa
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: JEVSkeeter on August 13, 2007, 05:10:03 PM
Papa,

XL. I use XT for crankbaits without a problem. I use San Diego knots and Palomar knots 80% of the time.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: MCT on August 13, 2007, 05:55:44 PM
I have used Vanish, and never have found a spool, where there was not had problems.  I got a good one for you, I've seen Vanish come off a "NEW" spool, and  spit intwo down the center.  I have never seen a line do that.  Now I use P Line and never have a problem.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Brendan on August 14, 2007, 12:04:45 AM
So to summarize. Occasionally, despite Berkley's best efforts at QA, the occasional spool of Vanish that doesn't break when you look at it funny manages to escape their production lines. I've heard from a source high up that they are working hard to rectify that problem.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Big J on August 14, 2007, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: Brendan on August 14, 2007, 12:04:45 AM
So to summarize. Occasionally, despite Berkley's best efforts at QA, the occasional spool of Vanish that doesn't break when you look at it funny manages to escape their production lines. I've heard from a source high up that they are working hard to rectify that problem.

Even if they fix it I still won't use it.  I lost all trust in this line.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Ray L. on August 14, 2007, 05:45:31 PM
They are not going to fix a thing. Vanish and Transition are the same. Just re packaged.
The only thing I will say is you get what you pay for. I think many of you need to go to tackle tour and read the comparisons of many of the major fluro's and you will see in the long run you get what you pay for in fluro.
There are a few things you do diff. than mono or co pol.
Your hook set is more sweeping on the lighter pound test because there is less stretch. But your vertical presentation is so much better with fluro.
See what the top pro's are fishing. Many are fishing Sunline. Others are fishing Toray. When you read a story about a guy fishing Fluro and there is no name with it there is a reason. He is not sponsored by them but he uses it. Sunline and Toray are the most common of this. Next in line is Sugoi by yamamoto.
I myself am sponsored by Sunline and would willingly talk to any of you about it. On the otherhand I would prefer you at least get a premium fluro and try it yourself. Gamma is not a premium. Neither is Vicious. I am not putting either one down jsut saying it like it is.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Rebbasser on August 21, 2007, 07:20:44 PM
Guys, I just found my flororcarbon line:  Trilene Fluorocarbon.  Not Vanish, the new one.  I spooled it up and then didn't get to try it for a couple of weeks.  I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself, but after 2 weeks of being tight on a reel there was absolutely no memory.  Limp as braid.  A little pricey, but worth it IMO.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: WRBass on August 24, 2007, 12:22:03 PM
Maxima Fluorocarbon is a premium line equally as good IMO as Sunline and just as expensive. The only difference is Maxima is more abrasion resistant the Sunline Shooter for example. I fish with both Sunline Shooter and Maxima Fluorocarbon and have settled on Max for jigs and Sunline for soft plastics and swimbaits. Everyone has there on likes and dislikes when it comes to line, rods and reels.
WRB
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Big J on August 24, 2007, 03:14:09 PM
Quote from: Rebbasser on August 21, 2007, 07:20:44 PM
Guys, I just found my flororcarbon line:  Trilene Fluorocarbon.  Not Vanish, the new one.  I spooled it up and then didn't get to try it for a couple of weeks.  I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself, but after 2 weeks of being tight on a reel there was absolutely no memory.  Limp as braid.  A little pricey, but worth it IMO.

Congrats and I'll have to try it.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Baron49 on August 24, 2007, 04:28:16 PM
Quote from: Ray L. on August 14, 2007, 05:45:31 PM
Your hook set is more sweeping on the lighter pound test because there is less stretch.

If you study up on Fluorocarbon it actually stretches more then mono.  What makes the difference is Fluoro is more dense then mono and gives more feel and a better hook set......but Fluoro does stretch!
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Nial on August 25, 2007, 04:47:47 AM
I'm still new to all these different line types...but by the looks of it....I think I'm going to steer clear of any type of fluoro period.  I can see the benefits of using fluoro line, but geez it seems like there's more negative than positive no matter what brand is available.  I guess I'll just stick to the mono for now.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: ultimix on September 08, 2007, 01:00:20 AM
WOW!! I really did start something with this thread.... :bang :bang :bang :bang

Mark
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Pferox on September 08, 2007, 09:47:46 AM
Quote from: ultimix on September 08, 2007, 01:00:20 AM
WOW!! I really did start something with this thread.... :bang :bang :bang :bang

Mark

See, never know what will stir up a hornet's nest.  :roll2:

But thats ok because we all learn from these.  ~c~
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: alsept1 on September 11, 2007, 07:42:42 PM
I had problems with this line also. Seems like it dry routs easily.
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Pferox on September 12, 2007, 08:01:57 AM
Quote from: alsept1 on September 11, 2007, 07:42:42 PM
I had problems with this line also. Seems like it dry routs easily.

Wow, I must have gotten a great batch.

I have a spool of Vanish in 10lb test that I use for leader material. I proly had it at least a year and a half. I just spooled one of Jan's rods with the stuff to see if it was still good. I reeled in our smallest Lapso Apso with it.  ::) She finally let go and waited for the next cast, I decided not to run a re-test.  :roll2:

Before anybody panics, no Lapso Apsos were hurt during this test (accidental test). She grabbed up the practice plug and decided to play tug of war. Man was this a first.  :o
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: Big J on September 12, 2007, 08:28:25 PM
This thread just won't die. lo
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: WRBass on October 23, 2007, 11:47:06 AM
The more I fish with fluorocarbon the more problems I have with it. I have been fishing fluorocarbon since it was first introduced in the 1990's and like other fishing line there is a place for it.
This is what I have come to; fluorocarbon when bass are in clear water and line shy, otherwise use a premium mono filament line or use braids where the cover demands the extra strength.
The problems with knot strength and batch to batch consistency in addition to the high cost, fluorocarbon is too risky and costly for day in day out general bass fishing.
I will not use fluorocarbon line at night or in cold weather where knot tying becomes difficult to do properly. I do use fluorocarbon in clear water where the small diameter line gives you an advantage, such as drop shot.
WRB
Title: Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
Post by: tommarks on October 23, 2007, 09:55:20 PM
 used Berkley Vanish and Transition on Lake Erie.  I thought it would be just the trick in our extremely clear water but it does break easily.  I found it was not my knots it is not very abrasion resistant.  After a few minutes of fishing I can see a lot of little nicks in the line... almost fraying... if I don't retie I loose a fish.  After a few frustrating losses I have switched to Berkley XT it is much better even in the clear water of Lake Erie. Right now fluorocarbon is not for me unless it is improved.