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Title: Iaconelli
Post by: RichmondVa on February 20, 2010, 10:01:30 AM
I have noticed that Ike has a couple of different sponsors.  He's using Garcia reels and a new rod manufacturer.  Does anyone know who makes the rod he is using?
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Homerthumper on February 20, 2010, 10:10:00 AM
I thought Ike was sponsored by Daiwa?
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: -Shawn- on February 20, 2010, 10:12:32 AM
He changed to ABU this year.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: RichmondVa on February 20, 2010, 11:27:01 AM
Any info on those new rods?  I haven't seen them out on the market.  They are a pearl color w/black wraps and black foam split grips. 
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: J B on February 20, 2010, 11:42:04 AM
Any info on those new rods?  I haven't seen them out on the market.  They are a pearl color w/black wraps and black foam split grips. 

They are Abu Garcia Veritas they will be out in September and will sell for $99.95.They are BMW white very nice rods.My friend was sent 9 of them.Only a few of the ABU Garcia pro staffers have them for now.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Tritonrob on February 20, 2010, 11:48:42 AM
Ike was sponsored by Diawa till this year.  He signed exclusively with Pure Fishing which ABU Garcia is one of the companies. 
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Joshawa on February 20, 2010, 11:50:30 AM
September seems like an odd time to release the rods. I want to give one a shot but I'm not going to wait until the season is almost over.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: RichmondVa on February 20, 2010, 12:24:51 PM
Thanks for the info.  The local tackle shop here usually gets sample product a little earlier than most.  I'll keep an eye out for it.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: clarker2000 on February 20, 2010, 01:35:07 PM
Forgot where but I just reading about it last night.  Go to tacklewarehouse and the find abu garcia or some of the other rods.  Then click on review and it takes you to a takle review site. It give a very good review to those.  Abu Garcia is the brand and they are supposed to be cheap $$$$. 
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Tritonrob on February 21, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
Was one another website and they mentioned they are suppose to retail for around 100.00 bucks
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: CraigP83 on February 24, 2010, 01:20:51 PM
He wasn't using those white rods on day 3 of the classic.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Joshawa on February 24, 2010, 01:52:19 PM
He wasn't using those white rods on day 3 of the classic.

I just went back and checked the tape. He still had about 5-6 of them on his deck. But when he was throwing the lipless crank he had a Revo winch on a black and yellow rod.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 24, 2010, 02:58:02 PM
Thats a Fenwick Elite Crank Bait rod, ( oh my , he used a rod not from his sponsor, at least its another Pure Fishing Company)and you guys are getting all worked up because some pro is using a rod,now you are convinced that your game will improve using the same rods and baits as all the other pros. It's all a gimmick, the whole thing to sell equipment,.The sooner you realize that , the sonner those other guys will have to work for a living like you fellas. I aint a hata of anyone in particular just the whole BASS/FLW crap to pick everyones pockets. NOT MINE!!!!!!!!!!!! ~rant
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Joshawa on February 24, 2010, 04:40:03 PM
Who's getting worked up? People are curious because they haven't seen the rod yet, the fact that it is going to be at the $100 price point has sparked some interest. I wouldn't consider making a decent rod at an affordable price a "gimmick".
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: NMFishFinder on February 24, 2010, 05:19:16 PM
I agree, no gimmick, what I think is neat is that a pro is using a rod that everyone can afford. I also think that BASS and FLW are as real a job as most, they had the talent and chose to go into a career of fishing, some play football, some are docs, some work in the factory. It is the way the world works.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Johnny A on February 24, 2010, 05:27:12 PM
If you want some first hand information on the rod, I'll be more than happy to help.  I also have a post on the rod forum with a quick sketch review.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 24, 2010, 05:55:40 PM
Who's getting worked up? People are curious because they haven't seen the rod yet, the fact that it is going to be at the $100 price point has sparked some interest. I wouldn't consider making a decent rod at an affordable price a "gimmick".

  The rod you all are asking about, that Iconelli was using is a Fenwick Elite Crank rod, its the one in the picture originally that I saw, it was not an ABU rod, the 2 color rod was a Fenwick and yes there is a feeding frenzy starting over the yet to be released rod.Check out the 4 or 5 top forums they are all abuzz about the upcoming Verat How ever its spelled. I have nothing against ABU , they are the only bait casters I use, Iconelli has them, because he is being paid to Carry and use them, look how folks are salivating, good move on Pure Fishing, getting him exclusively. Just because he uses them does not man it will make nay of us better fishermen.Thats is where the gimmick and herd mentality come into view
 I would rather be the wolf than a deer in a herd
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: pawpaw on February 24, 2010, 05:57:29 PM
I agree, no gimmick, what I think is neat is that a pro is using a rod that everyone can afford. I also think that BASS and FLW are as real a job as most, they had the talent and chose to go into a career of fishing, some play football, some are docs, some work in the factory. It is the way the world works.
I have never been around many of the pros, but I did see Ron Sheffield on Rayburn one time. It was raining cats and dogs with lightning and he was launching his boat by himself. Not a whole lot of working people have to work in these conditions. This was during the practice period for a BASS tournament.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Joshawa on February 24, 2010, 06:22:40 PM
I wasn't talking about the top 5 other forums you visit, I was talking about this one...this post in particular. I understand that you have a distaste for the way companies use pros to sell their wares and I understand that you don't buy into any of it, you have made that abundantly clear on multiple occasions.  

I'm sure you will be hard pressed to find someone on this site that thinks just because a pro uses a product, it will make them a better angler. The fact that the rod costs under $100 is a big deal to a lot of people, because Joe Weekender can afford one.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 24, 2010, 06:27:58 PM
Let me introduce myself,I am Cheap Azz  Dominick, except for one rod, a guy wrapped as a present for me ( I dont have that kind of money) Here is my arsenal;
 ;4 of the new Cabelas Pro Guides at 40 per rod

one discontinued Fenwick HMX, from Gander on Clearance for 32 bucks

   I know the restrictions of limited funds thank you ::)

  You dont think that folks see the pros and think if they would use the same equipment then you dont get the whole Bass/FLW merchandising schemes, Ray Scott was a savvy business man,. taught these walking billboards a lot , before he sold it . If you think I am lying check out the sales for lipless crank baits , thats what the pros who won used correct??? There is even one company matching or featuring the exact color.Save that for someone who doesn't know the playing field,  :-X
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Johnny A on February 24, 2010, 06:52:15 PM
Let me introduce myself,I am Cheap Azz  Dominick, except for one rod, a guy wrapped as a present for me ( I dont have that kind of money) Here is my arsenal;
 ;4 of the new Cabelas Pro Guides at 40 per rod

one discontinued Fenwick HMX, from Gander on Clearance for 32 bucks

   I know the restrictions of limited funds thank you ::)

  You dont think that folks see the pros and think if they would use the same equipment then you dont get the whole Bass/FLW merchandising schemes, Ray Scott was a savvy business man,. taught these walking billboards a lot , before he sold it . If you think I am lying check out the sales for lipless crank baits , thats what the pros who won used correct??? There is even one company matching or featuring the exact color.Save that for someone who doesn't know the playing field,  :-X

I don't find the Ray Scott thing amazing as far as bass fishing goes but how did he get tennis players, NASCAR dudes, etc., etc., to wear patches on their clothes?
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 24, 2010, 07:04:06 PM
Gee I never said he helped all those other sports. I would write, you are a writer, to NASCAR, NBA care of Stern's Office, PGA and you might even try Selig over at MLB, they may be able to give you insight on how they structured their sales pitchers ;D
As for Scott: I am almost 60 years old, I watched him take a weekend sport of some fellas wagering on who could catch the biggest fish, into a multi million dollar merchandising machine. While I abhor this type of corporate sales BS, i am in awe that he seized the moment and now the formula for letting the winners sell the products still works today,. many decades after< I dont know if this is a testimony to him or it just says something about the gullibility of the masses.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 24, 2010, 07:09:20 PM
HA!! Look to the right>>>KVD Tested and approved Hooks, how timely as they say in Brooklyn    CASE CLOSED MOOKS,,,perfect ~b~
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: rgroadglide on February 24, 2010, 10:53:03 PM
I like all the discussion, I am just worried that he will scare away all the fish for the others fishing around him. Maybe that is his strategy.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: denis on February 25, 2010, 02:43:12 AM
You know what sucks about the rod pricing?  One of the most expensive rods 450+ is listed at 150ish for the second level pro staffers.  SO they are still making $$ on it just not as much.  One of the most expensive reels out there is about 80 bucks to the higher level but not paid to fish guys.

Kinda makes you wonder what they 100 or less rods cost, when you factor in that most of those places say send in 25-50 bucks and get a new one when you break it
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Johnny A on February 25, 2010, 08:08:08 AM
HA!! Look to the right>>>KVD Tested and approved Hooks, how timely as they say in Brooklyn    CASE CLOSED MOOKS,,,perfect ~b~

As we say in the swamps of Jersey, CASE REOPENED!  You might not buy something because a pro uses it but you're paying his salary anyway or do you cast the metal to build your own reels?  Everything you buy is a result of some emotional response and here's the kicker, even if it's NOT buying something because you don't like the person who promotes it.  Thank you, come again!
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 25, 2010, 08:18:20 AM
I must have some type of emotions from you, been here since April 05 and 2 of your 6 posts are answering me, I am humbled and honored ::) :o ~shade
Money and emotions dont go together, Any gambler Will tell you that. I buy a product, test it, take it apart and test it some more, no emotions to me parting with any money I am way too cheap for that.So will  hookers for that matter! >:D
 I use ABU OLD Style reels( Over the last 2 seasons, been baitcating  for only 5 years) and Cableas rods, because DECADES of fishing with them have taught me what I like and what works for me. I am not a good herd member, its more fun being a solitary kind of guy., I do or dont buy because of anyone else but myself. I am a buyer for a group that gives away free fishing equipment to guys getting out of rehab or jail. it helps people learn how to have fun again. We do it from our own pockets a lot, I have been buying for this group for over 15 years, so I get to try a lot of mid priced stuff out, so and when we ask our members to buy for others I know its not for cheap crap that will not work.
Any way I never buy or dont buy based on anything else says or does, that is childish and foolish.
Whats your experience? Oh excuse me you are a writer, thats gotta count for something ~roflmao ~roflmao
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Johnny A on February 25, 2010, 09:27:41 AM
I must have some type of emotions from you, been here since April 05 and 2 of your 6 posts are answering me, I am humbled and honored ::) :o ~shade
Money and emotions dont go together, Any gambler Will tell you that. I buy a product, test it, take it apart and test it some more, no emotions to me parting with any money I am way too cheap for that.So will  hookers for that matter! >:D
 I use ABU OLD Style reels( Over the last 2 seasons, been baitcating  for only 5 years) and Cableas rods, because DECADES of fishing with them have taught me what I like and what works for me. I am not a good herd member, its more fun being a solitary kind of guy., I do or dont buy because of anyone else but myself. I am a buyer for a group that gives away free fishing equipment to guys getting out of rehab or jail. it helps people learn how to have fun again. We do it from our own pockets a lot, I have been buying for this group for over 15 years, so I get to try a lot of mid priced stuff out, so and when we ask our members to buy for others I know its not for cheap crap that will not work.
Any way I never buy or dont buy based on anything else says or does, that is childish and foolish.
Whats your experience? Oh excuse me you are a writer, thats gotta count for something ~roflmao ~roflmao

About the only emotion you have stimulated is amusement, because you're a pretty funny guy.  I don't believe it's on purpose though. lo




almost forgot, those who question the resumés of others, generally have the thinnest qualifications themselves.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 25, 2010, 09:34:40 AM

I am in charge of 58 staff at a program that takes care of 600 at risk kids around the clock, I am trained to look at qualifications.If you have no quyalifications say so, its cool with me because  I have no qualifications I am a mook azz #&#$@9 , . I have used all the equipment I ever talk about, fish at least 100 days a season : what about you, where you coming from? How long did you use the rod they just came out with but have not distributed, must be cool to be an industry insider. Did you get a hat and t shirt also? ::)
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: NMFishFinder on February 25, 2010, 09:49:03 AM
I must be from the wrong part of the country but what the hell does "mook" mean?
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Johnny A on February 25, 2010, 10:03:33 AM
I am in charge of 58 staff at a program that takes care of 600 at risk kids around the clock, I am trained to look at qualifications.If you have no quyalifications say so, its cool with me because  I have no qualifications I am a mook azz #&#$@9 , . I have used all the equipment I ever talk about, fish at least 100 days a season : what about you, where you coming from? How long did you use the rod they just came out with but have not distributed, must be cool to be an industry insider. Did you get a hat and t shirt also? ::)

2009 marked 20 years in fishing local and regional tournaments, more local lately for medical related reasons.  In that time, I qualified for 4 New Jersey Bass Federation team tournaments, won a few club angler of year trophies and the like.  How many other hundreds of guys does that sound like?
I enjoy recreational fishing with my friends almost as much as the competitive nature of tournaments.  I like putting together the puzzle and if I may say so, I'm pretty good.  I realized I have a bit of writing skill and assisting other anglers of all interest levels provides some personal satisfaction.
Besides a few courses in advanced biology in college, I'm not academically qualified, if that's what your idea of "qualified" is.  My knowledge is hands on.  My association to Abu is casual.  Someone read a couple of my reviews and asked if I would like to try the new Veritas rod out and send back a few opinions.  No hat, no shirt, no towels.  That's not what I'm in it for, never have been.
As far as time on the water with the Veritas, about 3 hours with that thaw we had in the middle of January.  I'm cooped up in my house watching the snow fall and biding my time.
You see, for 35+ years the cash for my tackle has coming out of my own pocket.  Some of it well spent, other cash not.  I've used Megabass, Evergreen and other high line Japan tackle and some big name American tackle.  I've also used regular Joe on the block tackle, Daiwa generally but some St. Croix and Falcon.
I can tell you this much, from what I've used of it, handled it and examined so far Abu's got a winner in the Veritas. 


Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 25, 2010, 10:12:31 AM
There ya go, I respect where you coming from, and I know that you have the abiluity to judge a rod. Somethings you can almost tell with the first use, most I like to feel them out for a season. If you werent on the wrong side of the Hudson river, you might be a nice fella! ~shade
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Johnny A on February 25, 2010, 11:09:07 AM
There ya go, I respect where you coming from, and I know that you have the abiluity to judge a rod. Somethings you can almost tell with the first use, most I like to feel them out for a season. If you werent on the wrong side of the Hudson river, you might be a nice fella! ~shade

I'm just waiting to see how it feels with a fish on the other end of the line. 



BTW, I'm not the one on the wrong side of the Hudson ... ;D
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Pro Reel on February 25, 2010, 11:18:41 AM
BK, this kinda goes with your post about watching pro tournaments. I totally understand your aversion to advertising. Everyday we are shown tons of new stuff and they try to make us believe that we need it. That's part of their job. There are a lot of great products out there and there is also a bunch of junk. You have to sort through the BS to get to the good stuff. One good way to do that is to see what the pros actually use. When there is $500,000 on the line, they will not be using junk even if there sponsor wants them to. They might promote the junk before and after the tourney but they will be using something that they have extreme confidence in during the tourney. If Ike was using a new rod, you can bet that's it's a decent rod. He would not use a broomstick even if a broomstick company sponsored him. That doesn't mean that it is now the best rod on the market and that we need to run out and buy one, but if your in the market for a new rod, it might be one to look at. If it is for sale at a good price then I might buy one if I needed a new rod. The top 3 guys in the tourney used lipless cranks. From what I saw and heard , KVD used a gold color, Red Eye Shad exclusively. I'm not going to run out and buy a dozen of them, but some guys will. However, if I will be fishing in similar conditions then I know that bait works very well and that's more than I can say for half the stuff hanging on the rack. If you watched and listened to the classic and post conference, then you probably heard about the treble hooks that KVD helped design. They are a short shank treble. One common problem with lots of baits is that the trebles hook together and foul the bait. every time that happens is a wasted cast. That might not mean anything but a little frustration to the average Joe, but it's lost time and opportunity to me. KVD switched the stock hooks on his red eye baits to a bigger #2 size of these hooks. That let him have bigger hooks with no fouling problems. That led to better hook ups and less wasted time. I would not know about this if I didn't watch the classic and the interviews. I will buy some of these hooks and put them on crank baits that I often have trouble with. I won't change every single hook I have because that would be a waste on baits that work just fine. My final point here is that not everything they say is true but not everything they say is BS. Oh, also You will probably never see a flashing lazer lure in my tackle bag, even if Mike uses one during a tourney. It might work just fine, but so would any other crankbait of the same size
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 25, 2010, 11:36:12 AM
Thanks Kevin; I am not responsible for any remarks made from the West Side of the river ~roflmao

BTW Kevin: I switch out all my hooks on Jitterbugs and spitting Images, they come with crap. I switch em out with VMC or Mustad trebels, same size what ever is on sale, they do just fine. On the Jointed bugs the tend to hook front to rear, no more than a Floating Rapala, so I can live with that.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Nickk on February 25, 2010, 11:46:27 AM
Thats a Fenwick Elite Crank Bait rod, ( oh my , he used a rod not from his sponsor, at least its another Pure Fishing Company)and you guys are getting all worked up because some pro is using a rod,now you are convinced that your game will improve using the same rods and baits as all the other pros. It's all a gimmick, the whole thing to sell equipment,.The sooner you realize that , the sonner those other guys will have to work for a living like you fellas. I aint a hata of anyone in particular just the whole BASS/FLW crap to pick everyones pockets. NOT MINE!!!!!!!!!!!! ~rant


don't get the Duckett rod, it'll make your motor blow.... ~roflmao
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Pro Reel on February 25, 2010, 12:31:56 PM

don't get the Duckett rod, it'll make your motor blow.... ~roflmao

It wasn't the rod, it was one of his laser lures that fried the motor.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: CaptainMo on February 25, 2010, 03:38:30 PM
I'm going out tonight to buy a "Fenwich Ike rod", a KVD reel, a dozen Red Eyed Shad, and 4 dozen short shank hooks...Just because I can.... ~roflmao ~roflmao ~roflmao
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Johnny A on February 25, 2010, 05:07:37 PM
It wasn't the rod, it was one of his laser lures that fried the motor.

I wouldn't say that, Ike and Boyd both had the laser lure, only one motor was blown.  Had to be the rods.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 25, 2010, 05:14:48 PM
I am shocked and saddened you guys could not figure out what actually happened here, and i dont even watch the pros. KVD( no relation to BVD) gave some of his line treatment to Ike, in a deliberate act of sabotage. As Ike reeled in , the KVD sprayed onto the spark plugs grounding them out ~shhh
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 25, 2010, 07:28:13 PM
As we say in the swamps of Jersey, CASE REOPENED!  You might not buy something because a pro uses it but you're paying his salary anyway or do you cast the metal to build your own reels?  Everything you buy is a result of some emotional response and here's the kicker, even if it's NOT buying something because you don't like the person who promotes it.  Thank you, come again!

Johnny please check this link out, see what I mean?

http://www.ultimatebass.com/bass-fishing-forum/index.php/topic,73897.0.html
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Joshawa on February 25, 2010, 07:44:50 PM
Johnny please check this link out, see what I mean?

http://www.ultimatebass.com/bass-fishing-forum/index.php/topic,73897.0.html

Aside from the sponsors announcement, the majority of the posts on that thread are talking about why the color would have worked and about other baits the pros were throwing... I don't really understand what you are trying to prove  :-\

Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 25, 2010, 07:52:00 PM
The machine , designed by Ray Scott still works. Pro uses product, pro wins some money, pro endorses product, in this case down to the special hooks, many people buy that product, thinking that makes them a better fisherman
 It's a hustle, more sophisticated than a street hustle ( like 3 card Monte) but not as sophisticated as a TV ministry

It is not whats in your wallet, tackle box,boat or rod locker that improves your fishing, it's between your ears. Thats about as clear as I can make it.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Joshawa on February 25, 2010, 08:10:02 PM
I don't think anyone will argue with you there. Of course it works, it's called advertising, and it has been around a lot longer than professional bass fishing.

There is a happy medium between just mindlessly buying everything thrown at you and being a Bass-Fishing Ted Kaczynski. I know I personally just don't go out and buy everything I see on TV, but some of this stuff actually does work, and the only way you will find that out is by trying it out for yourself... Which means buying it in most cases.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 25, 2010, 08:15:21 PM
WHY WOULD YOU COMPARE ME TO A RABID TERRORIST?
Thats much funnier than any ball breaking I have done on the net in years ~roflmao
If someone takes time to prove a point you do not agree with , then you compare them to a person who planted bombs and killed and maimed folks? I am glad I never had to turn down a loan for you, you might link my name with Mike Vick or even worse Richard Nixon, now that would be worth fighting over :o
 
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Joshawa on February 25, 2010, 08:21:00 PM
 lo I'm sorry BK, that was not pointed at anyone in particular. I was giving the two polar ends of the spectrum, and was referring him being a Luddite, not being a terrorist.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: BKBASSER on February 25, 2010, 08:24:14 PM
Thats cool I learned not to take crap on the net seriously. What matters is what my friends and family think, everything else gets a slide or an argument, there is another 20 inches of snow falling on PA, and this is jsut a way to pass the time until it all melts and i can get on the water again.
 Now:  where are my fuses? ~shade
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Johnny A on February 26, 2010, 05:54:41 AM
Johnny please check this link out, see what I mean?

http://www.ultimatebass.com/bass-fishing-forum/index.php/topic,73897.0.html

You know, to the best of my recollection, the only "Classic" winning bait I ever bought right away was Hank Parker's spinnerbait.  Reason:  real gold blades.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: jmb3675 on May 23, 2010, 04:08:34 PM
I am thinking about selling my HMX so I can get another Amp rod. Advertising must not be working on me.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: coldfront on May 23, 2010, 05:23:17 PM
 The rod you all are asking about, that Iconelli was using is a Fenwick Elite Crank rod, its the one in the picture originally that I saw, it was not an ABU rod, the 2 color rod was a Fenwick and yes there is a feeding frenzy starting over the yet to be released rod.Check out the 4 or 5 top forums they are all abuzz about the upcoming Verat How ever its spelled. I have nothing against ABU , they are the only bait casters I use, Iconelli has them, because he is being paid to Carry and use them, look how folks are salivating, good move on Pure Fishing, getting him exclusively. Just because he uses them does not man it will make nay of us better fishermen.Thats is where the gimmick and herd mentality come into view
 I would rather be the wolf than a deer in a herd

you know, I agree with everything you posted here...(not unusual, you pretty much speak plainly)...

I've gotten away from 'brands' so much...but this I will say:  once I use it, the final decision is in my hands...

For instance, I dropped $200+ on some Cumara's this past spring...replaced a couple rods that were 'half the price'...and I'm not sure I can tell the difference to tell you the truth...and while we can all get worked up over Daiwa, Shimano, ABU or some other reel/manufacturer...truth is, good quality products are out there and there's not necessarily a lot of difference between them in their ability to deliver trouble free high performance.

I still occasionally use an Ambassador C4600 (the old technology) that I love...that sucker, even with ONLY 3 ball bearings is a heck of a reel...

and if you 'super tune' those old ambassadors, they're even better...

Still, I love, absolutely love my new Curado E series reels...and wouldn't trade them for anything...well, everything but the color...I'd have loved to see the lighter green they had on some of the old D-series BSF reels...

I am thankful that so far they've avoided the black and yellow reels... ~roflmao
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: johnboattournamentman on May 23, 2010, 06:29:01 PM
Question,   I used some Ambassadors and the worm gear on every single one would stop on the right side of the reel after 4 or 5 months. I would remove the worm gear and turn it around and it would work again for about 4 months......then the same thing. I tried them in the early 80s  then again in the early 90s with the same results. I fish several days a week. The shimanos(bantams,corsairs,citacas and curados) and  have always fished flawlessly for me. But I was trying a new brand that was just a small bit less expensive.
  I guess that my question is have others had this problem and why has ABU not corrected this?
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Jared LeBlue on May 23, 2010, 09:28:05 PM
Every ABU I owned had the same problem. Most people think the worm gear is bad but most of the time it is just the pawl. If you change the pawl out and get the same results then it's time for a worm gear. When I fished with ABU i always kept extra pawls in the boat.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: J B on May 24, 2010, 04:52:22 AM
With any baitcaster you have to keep the worm gear clean.I check the worm gears often and carry Q-tips and real butter oil in the boat.Debree can clog up a worm gear fast and if not cleaned can cause worm gear failure.I have never had a worm gear go bad on my Revos yet.I did have worm gear problems in the old days with the round reels.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: Baron49 on May 24, 2010, 08:44:40 AM
Been an Abu Garcia fan for over 40 years, used the round reels, XLT's, Revos and many others.  As long as you keep the reels clean and oiled they continue to work forever.  I have an old black 6000C that is at least 30 years old and have done nothing but clean it.  Have never needed to replace a single part in this reel and use it for Striper and Musky fishing to this day.  My wife is still using my 1980 XLT plus' that I use heavily while fishing the tournament circut.  The C3 and C4 series were not built as well as the newer Revos, but these reels kick butt and with reasonable care will last for years.  As far as your problem with the worm gear.  With the dozens of Abu Garcia reels I have owned have never had a worm gear go bad and only have had one pawl that needed replacing.  The only thing I have seen that has needed replacing is the drag washers in the C3 and C4 series reels and even that was rare if I took good care of the reel.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: coldfront on May 24, 2010, 09:56:14 AM
WHY WOULD YOU COMPARE ME TO A RABID TERRORIST?
Thats much funnier than any ball breaking I have done on the net in years ~roflmao
If someone takes time to prove a point you do not agree with , then you compare them to a person who planted bombs and killed and maimed folks? I am glad I never had to turn down a loan for you, you might link my name with Mike Vick or even worse Richard Nixon, now that would be worth fighting over :o
 

BK, is it really fair to label Ted as a RABID terrorist?  Terrorist I can go along with...but RABID? 

As to the sophisticated HUSTLE?  Ever watch all those ads on TV for various drugs?  How about the old Wonder bread:  '...builds strong bodies 9 different ways...'

Marketing and Sales have always been about 'selling the sizzle' not the steak...
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: johnboattournamentman on May 24, 2010, 10:17:16 AM
Been an Abu Garcia fan for over 40 years, used the round reels, XLT's, Revos and many others.  As long as you keep the reels clean and oiled they continue to work forever.  I have an old black 6000C that is at least 30 years old and have done nothing but clean it.  Have never needed to replace a single part in this reel and use it for Striper and Musky fishing to this day.  My wife is still using my 1980 XLT plus' that I use heavily while fishing the tournament circut.  The C3 and C4 series were not built as well as the newer Revos, but these reels kick butt and with reasonable care will last for years.  As far as your problem with the worm gear.  With the dozens of Abu Garcia reels I have owned have never had a worm gear go bad and only have had one pawl that needed replacing.  The only thing I have seen that has needed replacing is the drag washers in the C3 and C4 series reels and even that was rare if I took good care of the reel.


I always keep my reels in the best shape possible. I clean them about once every two months. I was just wondering because of my experiences and another friend has the same thing happen. Thanks for the imput.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: pawpaw on May 24, 2010, 04:08:29 PM
BK, is it really fair to label Ted as a RABID terrorist?  Terrorist I can go along with...but RABID? 

As to the sophisticated HUSTLE?  Ever watch all those ads on TV for various drugs?  How about the old Wonder bread:  '...builds strong bodies 9 different ways...'

Marketing and Sales have always been about 'selling the sizzle' not the steak...
Damn, that BKBasser hasn't been on here in 3 months and is still keeping things stirred up. ~roflmao
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: biglunkerberry on May 25, 2010, 07:00:10 AM
guys, i wanna know how you guys went from someone asking about Ike's new rods to arguing about buying what the pros use. it was a harmless question. you guys are stupid for evening arguing.
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: coldfront on May 25, 2010, 08:49:24 AM
Damn, that BKBasser hasn't been on here in 3 months and is still keeping things stirred up. ~roflmao

it may not be completely apparent, but I appreciate BK's humor, wit and dripping sarcasm...  seriously...
we're all here not only for info...but entertainment...
Title: Re: Iaconelli
Post by: pawpaw on May 25, 2010, 09:57:01 AM
it may not be completely apparent, but I appreciate BK's humor, wit and dripping sarcasm...  seriously...
we're all here not only for info...but entertainment...
I know Coldfront, it may not be apparent, but I did too.