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7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« on: August 17, 2012, 05:24:12 PM »

The gear ratio of reels has become more of a topic with our equipment now days than it has in the past.  The norm used to be a 5.2:1 or 6.3:1, until we were given a 7.2:1 which changed things up a bit.

Okuma is doing some research for future low-profile bait cast development and wanted to get some thoughts on an even higher speed 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio.  Would you use it if it was available?  What for?

 

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7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 05:29:22 PM »

Maybe for a buzzbait, though usually slower is better. Or flipping for when they run AT the boat!! I still rarely use more than a 6:2:1 or so. Would think trying to crank a med-deep diver on a 8:1 would suck!!


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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 08:52:27 AM »

I think too fast, unless you can cast it a long long way.

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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 09:30:46 AM »

I'd use a 10:1 if they made it. However it would have a sole purpose for me. Flipping and punching. Getting big fish out of thick cover. A fast gear ratio can mean the difference between a bass in the boat or watching a bass flop on top of the cover and eventually work it's way to freedom.

SO, yes I see where I could be very interested in this but it would have to also have a flipping switch on it. :-*
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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 09:31:15 AM »

It would be good for flipping, pitching, frogging, and especially swim jigs. With swim jigs when they hit a lot of times they take the bait and run straight at you and you can't catch up to them soon enough to set the hook.
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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2012, 07:03:12 AM »

I could definately see a market for these!
I am like Mike, for Pitching I would use a 10:1.

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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2012, 01:36:56 AM »

Its all about preference. First off I don't believe Okuma has any 8:0:1 on the market. Okuma generally has 7:3:1 reels that are sikkk. Anyways there are a lot of videos online talking about the 8:0:1 abu garcia revo sx and like most others will tell you the reel is good for jigging, frogging, or burning a spinner or a top water. It really comes down to what you prefer. For the casual bass fisherman the ratio is not a huge deal. It can play a big role for long periods of fishing and tweeking your retrieves. Usually you want fast for quick sets required for jigging, and slow for those long days cranking when you want more torque than speed. Usually everything else falls in between. The last thing you want to do is CHEAT on your retrieves. Many KVD videos on youtube  show even the legend commenting on keeping his reel speeds moderate. This is so he doesn't burn the baits too fast for the bass and risk having a smaller bag. On the other hand the guy at my bait shop likes to "let the reel do the work" and uses only high retrieve reels. Im not convinced in that argument, and believe it or not a faster heartbeat will unconsiouslly increase your retrieval speed. Play around and find what you like. I use my 7:3:1 Alumina for pitching and my 5:4:1 Citrix for cranking. Good luck
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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2012, 02:51:14 AM »

Its all about preference. First off I don't believe Okuma has any 8:0:1 on the market.

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Okuma is doing some research for future low-profile bait cast development and wanted to get some thoughts on an even higher speed 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio.  Would you use it if it was available?  What for?

They are looking at maybe soon 2013 looking at a higher speed option.  If you like the 7-1 style you should try the Cedros  ~sweat & ohh so Smoooooooth!

The Komodo is a work horse but a joy to flip/pitch with

Krios is just over $100.00 but is still smooth as silk

and the Citrix as you know is a great little reel I have the 7.3-1 rather than the 5.4-1

Okuma offers some outstanding reels for us and I for one am very happy they have made such a big push to the bass anglers.  Love Them all but I do have some suggestions on the paddles,,,,,, it's so funny how we all like such things and how something that is small to one angler is a key thing another angler looks for.

I see you picked up a new but older Okuma in another thread, keep us posted on your thoughts of Okuma  ~c~

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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2012, 06:33:05 AM »

I wish they would hurry and get one out!!  ~sweat   I Guarantee there is a Market for a faster reel for flipping and pitching.   

Now it isn't going to be for the guy that uses one reel for everything, But for the Angler that knows what a burner reel is for.............  They would be fantastic!!  ~c~ ~c~ ~c~

I would Love to see one Model like the Helios have  Several availble gear options 5.4:1/6.4:1/ 7:1 and 8:1. 

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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2012, 06:46:07 AM »

They have something in the works for the Helios Shawn, you can check out https://www.okumafishing.com/product/view/reels/baitcast-reels-low-profile/helios-2013









but there isn't any info yet  lo lo

I also would love to see that frame set up to run 5-1,  6-1,  7-1 and a new high speed burner 8-1 or even 8.5-1  ~bb

Another reel I'd love to see add a 5 and 6 to 1 line is the Krios  ~gf it's a very smooth pitching reel  ~c~

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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2012, 06:50:49 AM »

As good as reels are these days this probably won't be an issue, but with the higher gear ratios is there a sacrifice in power?  It would occure to me that with a 10:1 reel you would have great speed but lower torque to pull bass from the slop. Jim
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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2012, 07:09:40 AM »

I use my Rod almost 100% for doing the actual pulling, I just need the reel to take up line as fast as I can feed it or as fast as the fish can swim at the boat.  8)

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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2012, 07:13:53 AM »

If I had to guess. The faster you can pick up the slack line the faster you bring the bass to the top of the slop with the rod. When the bass is on top of the slop you are able to skim it over the top of the slop to the boat with the rod and the speed of the reel.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2012, 07:14:54 AM »

Yeah, I have been watching that one Fogy.  Everyday I open a blank page..............  ~b~ lo

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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2012, 07:15:12 AM »

Wonder if they would add a Flip/Pitch thumb bar like the Castaic in a faster ratio? That would be gold in my eyes.
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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2012, 08:45:31 AM »

I wish they would make a Pure Flip and Pitch specialized model.  I like the Design of the F500, but I can't stand how rough the feel.  I still use mine for punching Grass but I hate the feel.

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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2012, 10:41:40 AM »

Wonder if they would add a Flip/Pitch thumb bar like the Castaic in a faster ratio? That would be gold in my eyes.

I would absolutely like to see a flipping button on an Okuma. I've messed around with the Abu Garcia model at Wal-Mart. It feels like it could be useful for increasing the amount of casts in a day and setting a jig quicker. If Okuma came out with an 8:0:1 with with a flipping button I would be first in line to buy. I still would prefer a 7:3:1 for football jigging and with chatterbaits so I'm not cheating myself out of fish but still covering water.
I'm sure with Abu Garcia and other companies adding the flipping button, then Okuma has something in the works already.?.?
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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2012, 11:16:22 AM »

First, you would need to include spool size in this discusion as thats what works with the ratio to determine IPT or inchs retreived per turn of the handle. You can have a high gear ratio with a small spool and still not be able to pick up much line fast. The oposite of that is they could build a larger spool on a specialty flipping reel that would pick up a lot of line fast without the ratio being super high.

Personally, I think a 10 to 1 would be so limited that it would only be usefull to flipping and only then if you moved the fish with the rod and only cranked up loose line. The reason I say is that is I think it would be hard to crank that reel under a load. It would be similar to climbing on a 10 speed bike and trying to start pedaling while it was in high gear.
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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2012, 11:19:30 AM »

First, you would need to include spool size in this discusion as thats what works with the ratio to determine IPT or inchs retreived per turn of the handle. You can have a high gear ratio with a small spool and still not be able to pick up much line fast. The oposite of that is they could build
 a larger spool on a specialty flipping reel that would pick up a lot of line fast without the ratio being super high.

Personally, I think a 10 to 1 would be so limited that it would only be usefull to flipping and only then if you moved the fish with the rod and only cranked up loose
line. The reason I say is that is I think it would be hard to crank that reel under a load. It would be similar to climbing on a 10 speed bike and trying to start pedaling while it was in high gear.

Thats exactally what I wad thinking. You can only go so high in ratio to the point where you wouldn't be able to reel with a load. As mentioned like gears on a bicycle
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Re: 7.9:1 or 8:1 gear ratio too fast?
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2012, 02:14:26 PM »

I assume Spool size will be inline with Okumas other reels. In which there 7'.3 :1 Retrival rate  of 31.5 in per turn.   

All of Okumas Baitcaster use almost the exact same spool size.

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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2013, 06:23:05 PM »

If they made an 8:1 with 20+lbs of drag I would be all over it.
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2013, 11:46:37 PM »

If they made an 8:1 with 20+lbs of drag I would be all over it.

Depends on where you fish, but 20lbs is really too much for any rod out there is you are routinely catching big fish..

I readjusted my F700 down to 18 lbs and it is still too much for 8lb and larger fish..

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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2013, 05:36:05 PM »

Where I fish, you never know when you are going to hook I to a big cat or a 50" striper. I generally stay away from high gear ratios because they just really don't handle big baits well, but it would be nice for top water to have that burner. Or for horsing fish out of the mats on the Potomac. As for rods not being able to handle it... I think you are severely underestimating a good rod. My Phenix and LDC are both able to handle anything that a big fish can throw at them. It's nothing to set the hook on an 8lb fish biting a 5oz+ bait and not even think about it.
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2013, 05:51:23 PM »

I fish Falcon Regularly...........  I know something about Flipping Big fish............  15lbs of drag locked down is more than plenty.

I have fished up there and there is NOTHING as thick or Heavy as the cover in Falcon.....

There is nothing ANYWHERE as thick.....

Catching a Big fish on a Swimbait is nowhere as hard on a rod as setting the hook on a 10lb with only 7 foot of 65lb braid to cushoin it.

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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2013, 06:45:56 PM »

Lol, hook into a 60lb stingray or a 40lb striper. I have had all the line pulled out of my lexa300 with 22lbs of drag like it was a zebco 33 fishing here in the chesapeake. And what they consider "swimbaits" on falcon an what I consider swimbaits are two completely different things. 
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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2013, 10:32:05 PM »

Ok, I am Not going to Argue with You........  I just wanted anyone else that might read this thread the problems that can arise..........It is this Simple...........  If we are Talking about throwing Swimbaits then 100 and 200 size reels will not hold up to throwing 3-8 oz baits....... The best Big swimbait reel built is a Shimano Calcutta......   

30-40lb Stripers were Common For us untill the Golden Algae Killed most of the stripers out in the Brazos river lakes.

You Might Google  Capt. Shawn Grant..............  You will Find I have a Little Experience in the Salt too.  ;)  and with fish that are a sight bigger than 40lbs.

Just Curious what Test and Brand Line are you Throwing.  :-\

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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2013, 11:45:25 PM »

The Revo STX and MGX come in a 8:1 and a 7:9:1 respectively. MGX only has about 12lbs of drag, but the STX can pump out 20lbs of max drag. Way more than any bass fisherman would ever need IMO.


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