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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2015, 09:05:31 PM »

Put on about 25-50yds of mono, splice in braid, and continue spooling. I do this will all lines, but it's crucial with braid.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2015, 09:07:14 PM »

Pferox, you just blew my mind lol.  I hadn't even considered these things and it makes total sense.

I've been fishing braid for a few weeks.  ~roflmao

Actually, I learned a lot when I started shark fishing, many things we see bass fishing is so subtle that it is hard to diagnose.  When a big shark is pulling it happens in real time and you can see and feel what is going on, quick.

I saw a guy with a HUGE reel hook a shark and the shark took off an wound around a shrimp boat somehow.  The boat took everything, it even started to take the angler until he let go. 

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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2015, 09:09:17 PM »

Take your mono and reel on 5 - 6 turns... then attach your braid to the mono.  This way if you get the ENTIRE spool pulled of your reel, there is a much weaker line there to allow for breaking.  Obviously it would be a very VERY extenuating circumstance that it would get to this point, but like i mentioned about being in a canoe and it putting you in a dangerous situation... having a large amount of pressure with braid directly tied to your spool could do a LOT of damage to the reel itself

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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2015, 09:17:06 PM »

Ok i understood till here. Are you just restating you start will a layer of mono then tie to braid??  I dont understand what you mean by mono backing hunk?

Yes, but your mono backing layer will be of much lighter lb strength.

I personally believe that using mono backing with heavier braids is the best and only way to go.

If you are tieing on 15 or 20 lb braid, then go ahead  and tie the same lb test backing, or direct to the spool (in my opinion).  Above that I would look at the reel strength before I decide on which way to go, backing or direct.

As an example, you are planning on putting 65lb braid on, you should put about 10 to 12 lb mono, not 65lb mono, and not tie directly to the spool.  Not only because of the line size similarities, but because of the sacrificial qualities also.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2015, 09:19:14 PM »

They don't make 65lb mono. That's called rope Pferox.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2015, 09:19:36 PM »

All right. I get what you were saying now.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2015, 09:23:16 PM »

Put on about 25-50yds of mono, splice in braid, and continue spooling. I do this will all lines, but it's crucial with braid.

Maybe for bass fishing, but I never use that much, 10, 20 feet, maybe.

Since most casts are relatively short in bass fishing, you can get away with using longer backing, heck you only need 100 yards at the most for most applications.  Then you can get two spoolings with one 200 yard filler spool.

For my type of fishing, the minimum I put on a small reel is about 200 yards, the big surf reels can be half a mile of line.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2015, 09:25:19 PM »

They don't make 65lb mono. That's called rope Pferox.

Some of my wind on leaders used to be 100 yards 200lb mono.  AND some weed eater line is 65 lb mono, others are 150, 200, and 300 lb.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2015, 05:35:01 AM »

So for my bait caster I might use braid. I know this has probably been covered 400 times but. Right now i have 12lb mono. If i went 15lb braid, which is only the size of 4lb mono, will that cause back lash more often? 

I was reading about braid about a year ago and they said you have to water proof it?  Has it come further than that or would i still have to get waterproofing oil stuff.

I know it sinks but is it gonna scare fish away?  I normally am fishing 2-5 feet deep and not the clearest waters but not carpy super muddy water either.

What are other pros and cons of braid vs mono.
I switched to braid after just learning how to cast with mono and there was a slight learning curb. I am using 50lb power pro. Do you get backlashes and overruns? I do feom time to time if i see a fish and get excited and try to rush my cast. Or if im casting against the wind.
It does dig in a little after a nice size fish depending on the hookset and how my drag is set but i already know that so i make my next cast expecting it to stop mid air and i just unclog the line thats dug in or i just release the line manually and get it out.

All in all with a good reel and a dual breaking system i havent had much issue. Now i cant say the same for my megacast from bps that only has magnetic breaks. Centrafugal fits my casting style best. I dont even use the mag breaks on my pro qualifier.

As far as visability ive caught bass with the 50 in clear water and slighly stained water with no issue. But if i really want to be stealthy ill add 15lb fluoro leader. About 4 to 6 feet. Works perfectly fine in extremely clear waters.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2015, 05:43:47 AM »

And the guys are right if you add that leader you can snap the line much easier. It will either snap at the lure or at your knot that combines the two. Breaking 50 lb is not easy at all lol ive bent thick jig hooks on rocks tryi g to break 50. Got back the jig only to find the hook way bent. That wasnt to bad cause i could bend it back and keep using it lol
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2015, 09:12:57 AM »

Wait...i just though about this...if you are gonna use a mono or flouro leader to make the line break easier and a mono or flouro backer to make it break easier if need be, they braid is COMPLETELY pointless. It is just an expensive and green filler...unless there is a benefit to using braid in there rather than mono or flouro.

Is braid gonna cast out smoother or untangle in birdnests easier?  So really what is the point of braid they? 
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« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2015, 09:30:58 AM »

I wouldn't go lower than 30. Like others have said it digs into itself. I've used suffix 832 and Power pro, not the slick. Recently I bought spiderwire vis glo braid. It's awesome. Super round, fairly slick, if you do happen to get a backlash it comes out with a tug and not picking through. Thinner braid may also snap if it digs in and you've got a decent sized lure. Bye bye bait.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2015, 09:49:15 AM »

If you have braid that is snapping, get a different braid.

Braid is more resistant to abrasion.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2015, 10:10:31 AM »

Wait...i just though about this...if you are gonna use a mono or flouro leader to make the line break easier and a mono or fluoro backer to make it break easier if need be, they braid is COMPLETELY pointless. It is just an expensive and green filler...unless there is a benefit to using braid in there rather than mono or fluoro.

Is braid gonna cast out smoother or untangle in bird nests easier?  So really what is the point of braid they?

This is personal, but to me the benefits of braid, are the smaller size for the LB test, castability, sensitivity, longevity.  I don't have a problem with taking out backlashes with any line, so can't really talk about that.

If that is the way you are thinking, then stick with mono, and miss the benefits of braid.  Because no matter how we write here, you aren't going to get the picture.  Each fishing scenario is different, and common sense tells you when to use what application, this means line choices, lures, whatever.


If you have braid that is snapping, get a different braid.
Braid is more resistant to abrasion.

I don't know about that, maybe in the heavier tests, but it cuts a lot easier than the other lines on sharp stuff, barnacles are killers on it, I cringe every time a fish runs for the pilings on the pier when I have braid, because that is almost always a guaranteed cut off.  Most braids are abrasive themselves, which is why it is good in weedy environments, it can saw through a lot of weed material.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2015, 10:17:17 AM »

I can't hardly cut through my power pro 50#
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2015, 10:22:49 AM »

Wait...i just though about this...if you are gonna use a mono or flouro leader to make the line break easier and a mono or flouro backer to make it break easier if need be, they braid is COMPLETELY pointless. It is just an expensive and green filler...unless there is a benefit to using braid in there rather than mono or flouro.

Is braid gonna cast out smoother or untangle in birdnests easier?  So really what is the point of braid they?
I have the option to use a leader in clear water with no cover or very little. But that same rod serves me if i go to the everglades where there is heavy cover. Mostly pads. Pulling a fish out of cover without braid is not easy and you will lost likely lose the fish.
This way i dont need to respool every weekend.
Now if you only fish one particular type of place then maybe you dont need braid.

I like the sensitivity of it too. I feel the bite better with braid. I also do night fishing and you cant really watch your line so have to rely on feel. Night fishing with mono on a slack line isnt easy. At least not for me.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2015, 10:48:27 AM »


I have the option to use a leader in clear water with no cover or very little. But that same rod serves me if i go to the everglades where there is heavy cover. Mostly pads. Pulling a fish out of cover without braid is not easy and you will lost likely lose the fish.
This way i dont need to respool every weekend.
Now if you only fish one particular type of place then maybe you dont need braid.

I like the sensitivity of it too. I feel the bite better with braid. I also do night fishing and you cant really watch your line so have to rely on feel. Night fishing with mono on a slack line isnt easy. At least not for me.

Ok. I guess i needed to re read the thread.
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« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2015, 10:50:57 AM »

Yah guys sorry about the stupid comment i made. I just had a blank moment. Yah i figured out the benefits.  Sorry bout that.
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« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2015, 11:48:23 AM »

Here is why I like braid for most conditions I run into when I'm not around shell.  Most of you bass guys probably will never run into this, but it has taught me a lot about braid.

When pier fishing, I have the potential to run into very large fish, but usually catch around bass sized or smaller. Many of them like to take a lot of line before you can get them manageable enough to get into the net.

The smallest baitcasting reel that was useable is a 5000 or 6000 round reel spooled with a couple hundred yards of 20lb mono.  For what I target that is a good sized line, 30 lb is ok too, but castability sucks.  I'm not targeting shark so there is no need to go over 30lb line.  Heck I know shark guys who use that as their main line and just go heavier on the leaders, but that is another treatise.

Just as an example, the  5.?:1 Bass Pro PQ has the same horsepower as the Garcia 6600 C3, but is lighter and easier to hold for long periods of time, but won't hold enough 20lb mono to do the job.

But I can spool 20 lb 832 on the PQ and get almost 300 yards of the same weight line.  This comes out to at least a 50 percent savings in weight and bulk, making it much easier to hold for any length of time.  Add the fact that you can usually get longer casts, it is easy to clear out backlashes, and the loop kinks on backlashes don't damage the line like it can do with mono, AND add the fact that it lasts longer, it is just a win win situation, for the right situation.  Line cutting into the spool happens, but when you are casting 1oz or better weights, it usually isn't that noticeable compared to the lighter weights of lures.

Porpuses are notorious for picking up baits and running with them at certain times.  They don't bite through leaders usually, and can pull 300 yards of line with max drag on some of the largest reels, reels like I use are child's play when they hook onto one of those, in the blink of an eye.  I don't know how fast they are going, but to me it seems like they are hitting 30 or even 100 mph on full throttle. When they get to the end of the line, all that momentum and energy is now transferred to the spool before the line separates.  I have seen medium shark reels literally explode from the impact because they didn't have any sacrificial line at the end of the spool.  Remember braid has little shock absorption, so it will all be transferred to the spool instead of through the line stretching like mono does.

AND the nice part is that I can take that same PQ, and rod, reset the brakes and throw 1/4 and up lures when I get to the Bayou and inshore fish.

Now if we want to talk about spinning and non level wind reels, I can fill a whole thread in one post on that subject.  ;)
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« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2015, 12:18:54 PM »

Depending on the presentation, pitching, flipping, and heavy cover work demands heavier line straight to the hook just because of the nature of the beast.  But for most other presentations you could go with much lighter braids, and not worry about any sacrificial stuff.

Heck for many presentations, in more open water 15 lb or less would be ideal.  BUT because of the digging in problem those lighter lines are better used on spinning gear.

I can't hardly cut through my power pro 50#

You are right Bryce.  Think of it as a rope, the thicker the rope the more number of times you have to pass the knife across it to cut it increases, but it will cut significantly every pass, whereas mono is more resistant to the amount it is cut with each pass.

If you are bored some time, get a length of 20lb and 50lb, braid, mono and flouro, a razor blade and a vice.  Put the razor blade in the vice so the blade is sticking up, hold the line tightly so it is perpendicular to the blade, run the tight line so it is being cut with the blade and count the number of passes need to separate the line.  Do this for each line.

THEN, do it so the blade is scraping the line instead of actually cutting it, and count the passes.  It is a great education process in understanding lines.

I don't anymore, but used to do this test with every line I used just to see how each one is effected by that type of abrasion.



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« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2015, 03:14:36 PM »

I might pick up some braid and try it.
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Re: Maybe gonna try braid?
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2015, 06:38:21 AM »

I might pick up some braid and try it.
I was put onto power pro by bassinlou, changed my opinion of it after i used it. I think its excellent! Ive also used sufix but in 15lb. Sufix is also good but ive got that on my spinning gear. Sufix seems to have a layer of wax to or something that makes it smooth. Its also kind of flat. Power pro is almost half the price and is excellent quality. From now on thats my choice. I would probably stay away from the cheap store name stuff so if it stinks it doesnt leave a bad taste in your mouth about braid.   Just my two cents.
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« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2015, 09:14:32 AM »

I agree with Rick, until you get experienced with the ins and outs of braid, stick with a name brand, PP is a good line, although it isn't my favorite, but for personal reasons.

Now after using it for what seems like a millennium, I have a couple house brands I like, but I know what to expect with them.
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« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2015, 09:58:19 PM »

Im pretty sure my biggest challenge with braid is going be having to use scissors not my teeth to cut the tail off of knots...
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« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2015, 10:09:25 PM »

I use a knife. Scissors are most of the time unsuccessful either unless they're really high quality and tight. A knife never fails.
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