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Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« on: May 08, 2019, 09:34:22 PM »

Can a medium heavy spinning rod with braid stand up to frogging and pads the same as a medium heavy baitcasting rod, line being the same that is? I'm considering setting up a Berkley Lightning Rod MH/F spinning rod, with a Pflueger Trion or President with braided line to make a decent rod for use on one lake that has loads of pads. I'm sort of feeling the need to justify my choice of the Lightning Rod for some reason, but dangit I just like it and can't deny it! I'm also kind of interested in trying spinning equipment for more than just light weight baits, so that's why I want to go that way. The only other questionable choice would be using a spinning reel and it standing up to the amount of pulling force I foresee that I'll be putting on the stem where it meets the foot and the rod. So what kinds of things might I be overlooking in doing this? How similar is a same rated spinning blank to a casting blank, are they the same with just different guides?
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Re: Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2019, 09:47:23 PM »

You hit the nail on the head. A spinning rod can handle it but the reel will be over stressed. I used to use a lightning rod for some of those same applications but went through reels often. I bent them, stripped them, and flat out locked one up.
The only way to combat that is to use a bigger saltwater version. And that leads into more money.
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Re: Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2019, 09:52:16 PM »

You hit the nail on the head. A spinning rod can handle it but the reel will be over stressed. I used to use a lightning rod for some of those same applications but went through reels often. I bent them, stripped them, and flat out locked one up.
The only way to combat that is to use a bigger saltwater version. And that leads into more money.

Could I possibly consider a nicer one with an aluminum frame to solve this?
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Re: Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2019, 10:21:04 PM »

Could I possibly consider a nicer one with an aluminum frame to solve this?
Definitely need some kind of metal framed reel to accomplish this feat. That being said, I've known plenty of people who frog fish, and only fish,  with a spinning rig.

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Re: Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2019, 10:41:54 PM »

Definitely need some kind of metal framed reel to accomplish this feat. That being said, I've known plenty of people who frog fish, and only fish,  with a spinning rig.

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Same here. I would suggest to use at least a 4000 series size reel. My brother frog fishes using my Penn Fierce reel on a Berkley Fusion FSN702MH 7' Medium Heavy rod. It is the original Fierce not the newer Fierce II model. It wasn't a expensive reel but it did have a solid metal frame. So far only the handle knob has broke off.  lo But the aftermarket replacement knob has held up well. Definitely not ideal for frog fishing but will catch some and cost you some.
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Re: Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2019, 05:32:07 AM »

Ok, let's go the other way then. I have another setup, an Abu Garcia Orra2 SX-HS baitcaster on a 6'6" MH/F Shimano Compre rod that I currently use for jigs and plastics. Maybe I could make this the frog rod and use braided line, and use the spinning rod for jigs and plastics instead. I know a lot of you guys prefer longer rods for this but is a 6'6" frog rod unheard of?
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Re: Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2019, 05:46:17 AM »

I'd abandon the idea of a spinning rig for pads and frogging for the same reasons most have mentioned plus I feel you need more control and sheer winching power in pads. I have a Compre MH, it's 6'8" I believe and very good sensitivity but, it's not a great hook setter.
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Re: Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2019, 11:29:54 AM »

After rereading your post today I think I missed on my first reply.
Can a medium heavy spinning rod with braid stand up to frogging and pads the same as a medium heavy baitcasting rod, line being the same that is?
No it cannot in my opinion.
I'm considering setting up a Berkley Lightning Rod MH/F spinning rod, with a Pflueger Trion or President with braided line to make a decent rod for use on one lake that has loads of pads. I'm sort of feeling the need to justify my choice of the Lightning Rod for some reason, but dangit I just like it and can't deny it!
I don't think you need to justify a Berkley Lightning Rod, Pflueger Trion, or a President reel. They are what they are. Many people fish with the Lightning Rod. As for the reels some people love them and fish them. If it works for you, that is what keeps you catching and wanting to return, go for it.
I'm also kind of interested in trying spinning equipment for more than just light weight baits, so that's why I want to go that way. The only other questionable choice would be using a spinning reel and it standing up to the amount of pulling force I foresee that I'll be putting on the stem where it meets the foot and the rod. So what kinds of things might I be overlooking in doing this?
Spinning equipment is some of the most heavy duty designs made. Look on a lot of fishing charters on the ocean. That said it generally isnt designed for bass fishing in pads. To me the first major issue is fishing open water (oceans) vs where Bass love to hide. I fish large pads with stems the size of a grown mans pinky finger. Not sure what your area is like. To effectively fish these pads a very stout rod is key (think broomstick). You must get the head of the bass up quickly almost with the hookset. If you don't they run and wind you around the stems and leave your hook stuck to one. Spinning reels for bass fishing from my experience are more for wearing down the fish. The very forgiving spinning rods do a excellent job keeping the slack out of the line while applying pressure. But pad fishing this is not going to be successful very often.

Second is that killer spinning equipment to handle bigger fish, or a 3lb bass covered in 5lbs of crud, is not the same as budget minded equipment you listed. Cranking bass through pads is very tough on reels and rods. Ive broke rods one was a 7'2" Mag Heavy another was a 7' Med Heavy casting rod. Also as mentioned previously one spinning reel knob was lost in a battle. This type of fishing is hard on equipment. Its not just the weight of the fish or the crap on him but your dragging all that through the other crud. It gets heavy. 
How similar is a same rated spinning blank to a casting blank, are they the same with just different guides?
They are not the same blanks from what I know. But I do not know a ton about rod making so it would be better if someone else answered that.
Ok, let's go the other way then. I have another setup, an Abu Garcia Orra2 SX-HS baitcaster on a 6'6" MH/F Shimano Compre rod that I currently use for jigs and plastics. Maybe I could make this the frog rod and use braided line, and use the spinning rod for jigs and plastics instead. I know a lot of you guys prefer longer rods for this but is a 6'6" frog rod unheard of?
I believe the Abu Garcia Orra2 SX-HS baitcaster on a 6'6" MH/F Shimano Compre rod would be a better frog rod than the previous spinning thought. Again depending on where your fishing the jigs and plastics would for me determine how optimal it would be. Not that many years ago almost every bass rod was between 5' to 7' length so no its not unheard of.
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Re: Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2019, 05:03:18 PM »

Thank you for this awesome and very detailed answer.
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Re: Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2019, 06:10:36 PM »

Not too familiar with the Orra line, but if I recall the frame is aluminum and the gears are brass. If they are, swing away.

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Re: Spinning rod for pad fishing and frogging
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2019, 02:56:08 PM »

Not too familiar with the Orra line, but if I recall the frame is aluminum and the gears are brass. If they are, swing away.

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Yes, thatís it. Brass drive and pinion gears on an aluminum frame. I added a couple extra bearings to mine to smooth it out too. Just needs a carbon drag upgrade now and it will be ready, but the drag that it has is smooth as is.
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