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Twin Helix Help/questions
« on: August 25, 2019, 03:45:35 PM »

As many of you guys know, I'm a newbie when it comes to current electronics. The most experience I had with my previous boat was a small basic 4" Lowrance unit. These new graphs come with gps, and all sorts of imaging.

Now to my question/help: when utilizing the GPS system, do both graphs (console/bow) have to be powered on at the same time in order for the bow unit to track my current route? Wouldn't powering on the bow tranducer mounted on the TM be effected by not being in the water?   

Or

Do I just power on the console unit and when I make my first stop to fish, power on the bow unit?
But... when I pick up to move to my next location, do I power down the bow unit? Or do I put it in sleep mode until the next stop?

I hope I'm not confusing you guys...  lo lo

Thanks for your help ahead of time.  ~beer~

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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2019, 05:17:10 PM »

you can put either unit on 'standby'. 
your units/GPS are good for:
1. logging waypoints and returning to them
2. trails to help find your way back/to spots or importantly:  HOME

imagine out there where you fish, a lot of spots can start to look the same after a bit.

the question I have:  are the two units connected (wired, or wireless?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDaGYLqm9_E

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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2019, 05:20:39 PM »

you can put either unit on 'standby'. 
your units/GPS are good for:
1. logging waypoints and returning to them
2. trails to help find your way back/to spots or importantly:  HOME

imagine out there where you fish, a lot of spots can start to look the same after a bit.

the question I have:  are the two units connected (wired, or wireless?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDaGYLqm9_E

for ideas.
CF.... that's a great question. I assume(d) they were. I honestly don't know (yet) if both units are connected to each other. I haven't gone into the gps (learning) testing phase yet.

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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2019, 05:24:53 PM »

I always thought in order to network a Helix it had to be 9" or larger.  I looked in to this a couple years ago and the 7s would not do it but perhaps the newer units can be.  I bet that the rigger of these units can fill you in if it was rigged at Vexus or at the Dealer in Orlando.  Otherwise Wayne P  probably has the straight skinny on this.
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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2019, 05:28:48 PM »

I always thought in order to network a Helix it had to be 9" or larger.  I looked in to this a couple years ago and the 7s would not do it but perhaps the newer units can be.  I bet that the rigger of these units can fill you in if it was rigged at Vexus or at the Dealer in Orlando.  Otherwise Wayne P  probably has the straight skinny on this.
Yeah.. if Wayne sees this thread he will definitely know. I figured I asked here first, since the gps testing is my next phase out on Lake Okeechobee

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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2019, 05:41:33 PM »

Did a quick search, and by the looks of it, my units are independent of each other, and are not networked to one another, although they are both gps units. Looks like I will keep the bow unit always powered on and put it on sleep mode when I'm front fishing. That way I won't lose my routes.

Appreciate the input guys.  ~beer~

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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2019, 08:06:51 PM »

Did a quick search, and by the looks of it, my units are independent of each other, and are not networked to one another, although they are both gps units. Looks like I will keep the bow unit always powered on and put it on sleep mode when I'm front fishing. That way I won't lose my routes.

Appreciate the input guys.  ~beer~

lou, don't remember which units you have (which group:  garmin, hb, etc), but think you ought to be able to save waypoints to chips and upload/download on to each hard drive?

on my boat, I have a couple lowrance HDS touch units.  don't know that I can link via wireless, but there is a 'port' on the back of each that takes an 'ethernet' cable.  would just have to 'string it' between them to make it work.
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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2019, 09:27:16 PM »

If you go into the menu system status it will give you the model #.  If there's an "n" at the end then you can hook them together with an ethernet cable.
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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2019, 04:17:50 AM »

If you go into the menu system status it will give you the model #.  If there's an "n" at the end then you can hook them together with an ethernet cable.
Thank you allaboutfun, my units both end in "N".

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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2019, 05:43:36 AM »

Following this.
Bassinlou which unit do you have up front? Mine is the helix 7 mega DI.



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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2019, 05:44:51 AM »

I would also think that if they are networked all you need to do to find out is save a waypoint on one and see if you can see it on the other.


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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2019, 06:01:25 AM »

This one is my bow unit.



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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2019, 06:39:38 AM »

Mines the same except mine is mega instead of chirp I think. I donít know the difference.
Do you know how the front works in regards to if where is what you see on the screen in relation to the boat? As in if it shows fish/structure is it right under you?
I feel like I need an electrical engineering degree to run this stuff.


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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2019, 06:54:53 AM »

Mines the same except mine is mega instead of chirp I think. I donít know the difference.
Do you know how the front works in regards to if where is what you see on the screen in relation to the boat? As in if it shows fish/structure is it right under you?
I feel like I need an electrical engineering degree to run this stuff.


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The bow unit has gps, sonar and down imaging. The console unit has the same plus side imaging.

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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2019, 07:14:34 AM »

Yeah.. if Wayne sees this thread he will definitely know. I figured I asked here first, since the gps testing is my next phase out on Lake Okeechobee

The N in the G2N means Networkable. To do that you need an AS EC QDE Ethernet adapter for each unit and then an Ethernet cable to go between them.
There is a G2 and G3 version of the Helix 7 that does not have the networking capability.
When Networked, you can share SI to the DI unit and you can share GPS, sonar, Temp, and waypoints. Waypoints are not written to the other unit's memory, they are displayed on the other unit in a different color so both have to be on to share data.

Yes you can run the units with the transducer out of the water, just takes a few seconds for the unit to read the bottom again when you deploy the trolling motor. You can make that process faster by setting the Max Depth to a little deeper than the water you navigate on.

All second the third generation Helix units CHIRP both 2D sonar and Imaging.
Only the third generation Helix 7 models have MEGA Imaging---G3 and G3N.
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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2019, 07:41:24 AM »

If they're hooked up together, I believe there will be 3 wires hooked up in the rear. One it's power, one is transducer and one is ethernet.
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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2019, 07:45:24 AM »

The N in the G2N means Networkable. To do that you need an AS EC QDE Ethernet adapter for each unit and then an Ethernet cable to go between them.
There is a G2 and G3 version of the Helix 7 that does not have the networking capability.
When Networked, you can share SI to the DI unit and you can share GPS, sonar, Temp, and waypoints. Waypoints are not written to the other unit's memory, they are displayed on the other unit in a different color so both have to be on to share data.

Yes you can run the units with the transducer out of the water, just takes a few seconds for the unit to read the bottom again when you deploy the trolling motor. You can make that process faster by setting the Max Depth to a little deeper than the water you navigate on.

All second the third generation Helix units CHIRP both 2D sonar and Imaging.
Only the third generation Helix 7 models have MEGA Imaging---G3 and G3N.
Appreciate that information Wayne. Thank you!!

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Re: Twin Helix Help/questions
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2019, 12:20:01 PM »

Update

Had a chance to mess around with my electronics and gps yesterday on Lake O, and I found that both my bow and console units are indeed networked together.  ~c~ I found this to be pretty cool and wanted to relay this information back to you guys.
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