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Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« on: August 26, 2019, 06:30:31 PM »

What line are you using and why ?
I would also be curious if you change knots based on what line you are using

I typically use 17# Fluorocarbon line for pretty much everything, but I am limited to two rods at the moment, until I pick up another.

If this has already been discussed, I may have missed the thread -
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Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2019, 06:33:43 PM »

Braid because itís almost impossible to break and fluoro leaders when fishing flukes. Itís that simple for me.

Palomar or double palomar knot 99% of the time and the modified Albright knot for leaders


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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2019, 06:53:03 PM »

I've used em all over the years. These days I have 1 reel with mono on it for just a couple of particular situations. ALL my other reels are spooled with hi-vis braid. I quit using leaders some years back and couldn't be happier.

As for knots, I have tried a bunch of those over the years as well. I have arthritis and a neurological condition that gives me tremors which are getting worse as I age so I have gone back to the tried and true palomar or double palomar. On the days when even that becomes a bit difficult to navigate I tie a simple uni knot.

The one exception is on my pitching/flipping rod when using plastics. Then I tie a Bub Tosh snell knot.


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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2019, 06:57:09 PM »

What line -
For me its mono on cranks or most treble hook baits, all the rest get braid. I do have one reel with Fluorocarbon on it and it gets a Polymer knot all the time.

Why I choose each line -
The mono is mainly for the stretch using the treble hooks.
The braid is strength, line diameter, and virtually zero stretch (sensitivity).
The Fluro is because I wanted to try it and it was in the clearance bin.

Knots based on what line I'm using -
I use a loop knot on many treble baits but its not because of the particular line that I use the knot. Its more the action of the bait. I also use a Snell knot on my braid when pitching. Again more about the results not the type of line that dictated the knot. All others get a Polymer. This one may be more to do with the type of line but its as much about strength and consistency.
 
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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2019, 07:26:45 PM »

Braid with mono leader if it needs it . Not often
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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2019, 07:59:40 PM »

mono for spooks, popR, buzzbaits, ploppers
braid for c-rig, punching, frogs/toads
flouro for crankbaits, spinnerbaits, jigs, plastics

palomar for 'em all - for line 10# or heavier

uni-to uni-knot for leaders (5-wraps each, braid to flouro)

trilene knot for all lines 8lbs or less  (exception is drop shot for hook; that's a palomar)
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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2019, 10:50:23 PM »

Sounds like the Palomar knot is the most popular amount you, I still use the old fishermans knot.
Never really had a reason to change, maybe I am just not hooking a big enough fish for it to matter?
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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2019, 11:07:28 PM »

mono for spooks, popR, buzzbaits, ploppers
braid for c-rig, punching, frogs/toads
flouro for crankbaits, spinnerbaits, jigs, plastics


palomar for 'em all - for line 10# or heavier

uni-to uni-knot for leaders (5-wraps each, braid to flouro)

trilene knot for all lines 8lbs or less  (exception is drop shot for hook; that's a palomar)

This is my list exactly.  I use different knots, but when I use the various lines is the same.....

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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2019, 02:04:35 AM »

mono for spooks, popR, buzzbaits, ploppers
braid for c-rig, punching, frogs/toads
flouro for crankbaits, spinnerbaits, jigs, plastics

palomar for 'em all - for line 10# or heavier

uni-to uni-knot for leaders (5-wraps each, braid to flouro)

trilene knot for all lines 8lbs or less  (exception is drop shot for hook; that's a palomar)

Take this list and write it down and don't deviate. We all have tried other options but they seldom work.
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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2019, 05:01:36 AM »

Sounds like the Palomar knot is the most popular amount you, I still use the old fishermans knot.
Never really had a reason to change, maybe I am just not hooking a big enough fish for it to matter?
Iím with you on if it ainít broke donít fix it but the palomar knot is the strongest knot I know of and it ties faster.


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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2019, 05:04:03 AM »

I use braid and mono. No leaders though. One or the other. All depends on what and where I'm fishing.

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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2019, 05:27:09 AM »

I use braid to mono for most my rigs. I like the mono leader for a couple rookie reasons. 1) I find tying mono to be much easier 2)because i only have a couple rods so I am cutting and tying a lot, this way i don't decrease my spool at all. I can just tie a new leader on when I start to use it up 3) because I bank fish mostly, if i snag it's hard to recover, usually I can break off the mono without cutting the braid which comes back to point 2.

uni to uni for leader and recently switched to palomar because it's simple, quick, and it works well.
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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2019, 09:20:25 PM »

I'm so happy somone made this thread so I didnt have to . Anyways I've been using palomar knot for everything I do since I got really into the sport about a year back. But I also dont know enough to speak confidently while surrounded by great fisherman lol. But I also have a question mainly directed at smalliestalker I'm getting ready to order braid for my baitcaster (50lb) and spinning rod(25-30lb) (once I save enough for it). Anyways do the fish see the bright yellow or whatever hi-vis color you use? I read online they do and leaders are superior but I'm gonna be fishing with just two rods for a while and that seems very troublesome if I wanna constantly change lures/rigs from dropshots to wackys. So suggestions? Thanks.

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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2019, 01:34:45 AM »

I use mono or braid, which one depends on the water I'm in.  I call it the "Sharpness Factor".  Barnacles, shells, sharp objects on the bottom decide which line will be my main line.

I use braid and mono leaders a lot when I can, it just seems to work for me.
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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2019, 06:30:00 AM »

I use mono or braid, which one depends on the water I'm in.  I call it the "Sharpness Factor".  Barnacles, shells, sharp objects on the bottom decide which line will be my main line.

I use braid and mono leaders a lot when I can, it just seems to work for me.

good call.  when c-rgging shell beds, rocks, I pay attention to my knot and retie as needed.

flouro is better at abrasion resistance than braid.  shells are sharp and cut.

no one line allows a guy to no longer pay attention to line condition (knicks, abrasion) or knots.

now, I CAN fish a frog a LONG time on braid without retying.  but that's about it.
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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2019, 07:49:55 AM »

Braid and mono user myself. Power techniques especially when fishing in the salad is braid. Spinnerbaits, jerk baits, and cranks I throw with mono. Only treble bait I throw with braid are big spooks.

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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2019, 04:44:10 PM »

I'm so happy somone made this thread so I didnt have to . Anyways I've been using palomar knot for everything I do since I got really into the sport about a year back. But I also dont know enough to speak confidently while surrounded by great fisherman lol. But I also have a question mainly directed at smalliestalker I'm getting ready to order braid for my baitcaster (50lb) and spinning rod(25-30lb) (once I save enough for it). Anyways do the fish see the bright yellow or whatever hi-vis color you use? I read online they do and leaders are superior but I'm gonna be fishing with just two rods for a while and that seems very troublesome if I wanna constantly change lures/rigs from dropshots to wackys. So suggestions? Thanks.

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Jacob, I fish water so clear you can see bottom in 30 feet or more. The hi-vis line has not made any difference whatever

I don't believe in the line shy fish theory and I think you will find many of the older members here who having been fishing 30, 40 or 50 years or more will agree with me. ALL fishing line, even fluorocarbon is visible to the fish.

Fish are just not that smart.

And they don't have the ability to think and reason the way we do. They see so many things in their world and they attack fishing lures that have paint schemes that look like moldy bread and lures that are pink and bright yellow. What makes anyone think a bright yellow line is gonna make a difference?

I know some will disagree and that's fine. One of the best things about fishing is that there is more than one way to approach any situation.

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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2019, 10:18:09 PM »

Jacob, I fish water so clear you can see bottom in 30 feet or more. The hi-vis line has not made any difference whatever

I don't believe in the line shy fish theory and I think you will find many of the older members here who having been fishing 30, 40 or 50 years or more will agree with me. ALL fishing line, even fluorocarbon is visible to the fish.

Fish are just not that smart.

And they don't have the ability to think and reason the way we do. They see so many things in their world and they attack fishing lures that have paint schemes that look like moldy bread and lures that are pink and bright yellow. What makes anyone think a bright yellow line is gonna make a difference?

I know some will disagree and that's fine. One of the best things about fishing is that there is more than one way to approach any situation.

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Thank you! That's what I was thinking I'm also an avid hunter and the deer just do not see the kinds of things we do. I know bass are different but their capacity for thinking is much lower, thus they dont know right from left. I think I'm gonna stick with your findings on this one and just not use a leader and get the hivis braid. Also just out of curiosity does a leader have to be the same strength as the braid? I dont understand that. Thanks!

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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2019, 10:47:20 PM »

Also just out of curiosity does a leader have to be the same strength as the braid? I dont understand that. Thanks!

short answer:  no.

I try to keep leader line diameter similar the line diameter of the braid as a STARTING point.  but you can do what you want.  at times you may want a 'shock' type leader which is thicker, stronger than mainline. (easy to do with braid - and a concept I took with me from days of fly-fishing).

it's really up to you and the conditions you are working in.
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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2019, 01:27:15 AM »

For bait casters, I wouldn't let the leader knot get into the reel of the spool, so that would limit the leader to being about 1 and 1/2 the rod's length max.

For spinning reels length is the unlimited, more than a couple rod's lengths are called a top shot, because most of your working line is the actual leader and the braid is just backing or filler.

Leaders are used for myriads of reasons, better abrasion then the main, line, thicker for shock absorption, or bite protection.  Lighter line for "line Shy" fish, or to allow you to use a smaller hook even. 

Any time you want to change the characteristics of the main line, you attach a leader and voila a new fishing rig.
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Re: Mono, Fluoro or Braid and why
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2019, 11:57:35 AM »

Thank you! That's what I was thinking I'm also an avid hunter and the deer just do not see the kinds of things we do. I know bass are different but their capacity for thinking is much lower, thus they dont know right from left. I think I'm gonna stick with your findings on this one and just not use a leader and get the hivis braid. Also just out of curiosity does a leader have to be the same strength as the braid? I dont understand that. Thanks!

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What Coldfeont and Pferox said is spot on

One other thing about leaders is the diameter of the leader has an impact on the action of the bait in many situations like a drop shot. Thinner line gives the bait more action, which is why guys will often experiment with different lines to see what works best.



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