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Not Sure I Believe It.
« on: February 09, 2020, 03:07:38 PM »

I read a post on a Facebook page where I trust the majority of information. However, I'm on the fence about this claim.

One of the members there who works at BPS says that the BPS XPS 100% flourocarbon line is re-branded Seaguar InvisX?  :-\

He did seem to be knowledgeable about the lines and I have a message in to him with some questions. If he answers back I'll post what he tells me.

I know companies re-brand products all the time but this seems like it's just a bit too good to be true.
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2020, 03:33:20 PM »

That's interesting. Like you said companies are always re-branding stuff.
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2020, 03:37:16 PM »

I was told by a BPS employee now s friend of ours that the BPS qualifier baitcasting reels are made by Lews. If that's true it'll be awesome. I just got back from a BPS 20 minutes ago and they're having a sale on they're lines...

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2020, 03:43:12 PM »

Lew's doesn't make reels or rods for that matter.. The BPS and Lews along with Abu  and goodness knows who else are made the same company Doyo or something like that.
 The line , if it's Seaguar, I would guess maybe Red Label. I've heard Trilene  100% also..
 
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2020, 03:44:26 PM »

I was told by a BPS employee now s friend of ours that the BPS qualifier baitcasting reels are made by Lews. If that's true it'll be awesome. I just got back from a BPS 20 minutes ago and they're having a sale on they're lines...

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All their lines or just the BPS line of lines? I need to get some new line to put on my reels when I get them back from their cleaning and tune ups.
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2020, 03:47:14 PM »

All their lines or just the BPS line of lines? I need to get some new line to put on my reels when I get them back from their cleaning and tune ups.
Just checked, it's only the BPS stuff. And turns out its only theyre braid, though my brother showed them the sale and they price matched it with mono.

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2020, 03:06:37 PM »

I was told by a BPS employee now s friend of ours that the BPS qualifier baitcasting reels are made by Lews. If that's true it'll be awesome.
Lew's doesn't make reels or rods for that matter.. The BPS and Lews along with Abu  and goodness knows who else are made the same company Doyo or something like that.

That is correct. Lews, Abu Garcia, Pflueger, BPS, and I'm sure a few other small companies all have their reels made by a Korean company called Doyo.
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2020, 07:05:17 AM »

I've used the BPS XPS flouorcarbon line and it works well. Doyo makes good reels, I have a bunch of the PRO QUALIFIERS and they are a solid reel, usually buy them on sale for 20$ off.
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2020, 05:39:48 PM »

Just wanted to say I visited BPS today and they're Seaguar flouro is 50% off. I grabbed two 200 yard spools for my new cranking reel. In case anybody's interested!

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2020, 10:17:52 PM »

How dose the red label compare to the invis X?

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2020, 05:04:20 AM »

Red Label is cheaper first off, but Invisx  is better handling line. I do use Red label on my swimbait rods in the higher tests but for crankbaits and stickbaits the Invisx in 10lb is hard to beat.
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2020, 06:13:07 AM »

Store brands of anything can change at the blink of an eye. What came out of a US factory yesterday can come out of a Chinese factory tomorrow and the only visible clue will be in the fine print on the label.


I used Red Label for a while on my medium and light spinning rigs, even tried it on my baitcasters once upon a time. It's good line, but had big memory issues. When it was first spooled up, it was great. After a month or so it was like casting a slinky. 
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2020, 08:36:14 AM »

Thanks for the input guys.

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2020, 06:14:07 PM »

Store brands of anything can change at the blink of an eye. What came out of a US factory yesterday can come out of a Chinese factory tomorrow and the only visible clue will be in the fine print on the label.


I used Red Label for a while on my medium and light spinning rigs, even tried it on my baitcasters once upon a time. It's good line, but had big memory issues. When it was first spooled up, it was great. After a month or so it was like casting a slinky.
Well now I just feel like I wasted 15 bucks! Was the memory worse then average mono? If it's the same I can live with it, but if it's truly a slinky, oh boy.

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2020, 06:26:48 PM »

Red label is great for leaders. ;)

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2020, 07:35:56 PM »

Well now I just feel like I wasted 15 bucks! Was the memory worse then average mono? If it's the same I can live with it, but if it's truly a slinky, oh boy.

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I liked the Red Label when I first spooled it up and fished it. It had great abrasion resistance. After a few weeks on the reels in the rod locker it would get bad enough that it affected casts and I'd had to change. It looked just like a slinky when stripped off the reel.
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2020, 08:15:39 PM »

I use red label as leaders on my trolling gear. It has too much memory to load a casting rod.

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2020, 11:58:55 AM »

I liked the Red Label when I first spooled it up and fished it. It had great abrasion resistance. After a few weeks on the reels in the rod locker it would get bad enough that it affected casts and I'd had to change. It looked just like a slinky when stripped off the reel.
I use red label as leaders on my trolling gear. It has too much memory to load a casting rod.

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I've had it on two of my reels for about a month and a half and it's not ideal but honestly not too bad, in short cast like trying to flip a small jig around cover it comes off like a slinky but if I'm really getting a crank out there it handles well imo. I also picked up a 200yd spool of P-line Tactical 100% flouro I'm gonna put on one reel and set them up against each other and see what performs better since I cant really get into the high end stuff. I'll also grab some K9 flouro eventually.

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2020, 01:56:17 PM »

P-line tacticl is great stuff and so far I like K9.

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2020, 01:57:29 PM »

I liked the Red Label when I first spooled it up and fished it. It had great abrasion resistance. After a few weeks on the reels in the rod locker it would get bad enough that it affected casts and I'd had to change. It looked just like a slinky when stripped off the reel. 

I use Red Label also and that is my only complaint about the line.  I only use it for tournament fishing.  I strip it off and replace it with Berkley Big Game Clear Mono after the event.
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2020, 05:35:46 PM »

One of the members there who works at BPS says that the BPS XPS 100% flourocarbon line is re-branded Seaguar InvisX?  :-\

BPS XPS flouro is a special formulation made by Seaguar per Kevin Van Dam.  Now I'm not sure if Seaguar decided to push out this formulation under their own brand calling it InvisX, but wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.  Link below about 3:15 in...link should start at 3:15 in.

https://youtu.be/2vFHZfMrsnQ?t=195


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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2020, 06:37:15 AM »

I use Red Label all the time. I use 12 on my crankbait set up and 15 on my worm set up. I haven't personally had any issues with the handling.  I've been using for the last 4 or 5 years, maybe longer. It handles perfectly for what I use it for and is really strong.  I've tried some of the more expensive lines to compare and always come back to Red Label.

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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2020, 07:43:42 AM »

I've tried a bunch of different Flouro and I don't really care for most of it.

Then I tried the Sunline Brand. I know a lot of people swear by Shooter and Sniper, but I haven't tried them yet. What I found was called Assassin.

It is limp, tough, and little to no memory. I really really like it. I have some spooled that has been on for over a year and still looks and feels like new.
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2020, 03:53:39 PM »

KVD Line & Lure spray does a good job of keeping flouro limp. Spray it on before every use.
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Re: Not Sure I Believe It.
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2020, 06:58:15 PM »

I was told by a BPS employee now s friend of ours that the BPS qualifier baitcasting reels are made by Lews. If that's true it'll be awesome. I just got back from a BPS 20 minutes ago and they're having a sale on they're lines...

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No, not entirely. Doyo manufacturers lews, and BPS. And a bunch of other companies. There's a Chinese manufacture and then there's banax and doyo. But, this doesn't mean the products are crap. You need to understand manufacturing. Just because say lews had a problem with one reel, doesn't mean BPS will as well. They most likely have sections of there manufacturing set up so they can monitor QC better.

The BPS pro qualifier was imo one of the best reels to come out of manufacturing like this. It was such a solid all around reel.

It's getting more and more uncommon to have companies actually manufacture there own stuff which is a real shame. But that's because people want things so cheap. They do have to find a way to keep the lights on and I get it.

I think the old BPS FC might have been invisx, I don't think the new stuff is, but it could be. Totally could.

I like BPS reels much better than lews, well.... I used to. Lews feels ultra cheap. You pick up a lews an yep it's gonna be light. But you can tell just by touch that it's made for profit, not for the long haul. The pro qualifier on the other hand was done by the same company doyo and felt great. It worked wonderfully. Yes the brakes where light on the magnetic side but they worked and the reel was extremely tank like.

I really hope this helped. I would recommend people not to worry as much about where these products come from vs how these products perform and feel. It's a practice I don't agree with but they don't GAF. It's not gonna change.

Also, with the advent of social media and reviews we can still find good products, reviews are the best way to weed out the crap.

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