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Author Topic: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line  (Read 11230 times)

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problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« on: July 25, 2007, 06:05:02 PM »

I put this on my Shimano about 2 weeks ago - and for some reason it broke in the middle of the reel - I then unwound the line and just used the line from where the break was  - then it broke again - in the middle of the reel.. Was this because I had a loop or something??

Has anyone had a problem with this line etc..

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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2007, 06:35:00 PM »

You've started something here.
There has been lots of folks around here that have the same issues with Berkley Vanish. For some reason this line does not perform for most people, but I have to say that found this line to be rather strong/good. JMHO  ::)
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2007, 06:48:59 PM »

BIK hit it right on the head, you've started something.  Thats fine though...

I never fell in love with Vanish or Transition.  For me the issue wasn't line breakage in he middle of the spool, but at the knot or on the line on short distance hooksets.  ALL lines have a shock value, meaning they can break under a certain amount of force.  My tolerance for Vanish's shock value at short distances was very minimal.  I switched to Seaguar Carbon Pro,and I have had zero issues. 

I know Vanish redid the formula and a lot of guys swear by it.  But I watched my boater this past weekend break off above the knot on a ten yard cast and lose a 2# smallie on the Ohio River this weekend at a BFL.  I also watched him spool that line out of a new box the night before.  I like Seaguar so much that I have transitioned (no pun intended) over to cranking with fluoro (Seaguar InVisX 10#) on my baitcaster. Honestly, I don't know why I didn't do it sooner.

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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2007, 07:35:55 PM »

You may have gotten an old spool. Supposedly they have reworked the formula to resolve this issue.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2007, 07:37:45 PM »

Oops, sorry Warpath, I just seen you answered this  :)
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2007, 07:46:51 PM »

This was my FIRST experience with Fluorocarbon so it really left a bad taste in my mouth...I had been reading sooo much good things about it.  It stinks that the one I try breaks on me..:(

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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2007, 07:55:51 PM »

I did switch to PowerPro Micro Filament Line which I really like so far - but not sure if that is a good line to Carolina Rig or Wiggle Rig

what cha think?
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2007, 07:57:19 PM »

I use power pro for everything.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2007, 08:23:52 PM »

Fluorocarbon can be a fickle mistress that will tempt you with great properties, but it demands special handling and your regular arsenal of knots will be problematic. Look up the Aaron Martens drop shotting interview on BASS Insider and try his double uni-knot, it solved a lot of the problems I was having.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2007, 08:46:50 PM »

The knot has always been a issue with Vanish for me.....I use Seaguar Carbon Pro and Seaguar Invizx for cranks...its pricey any where from 16.99 up for 200 yd .......

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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2007, 09:57:44 PM »

I use Vanish only for leaders and check and change it alot.
It is very susceptable to kinking and that will guarantee a breakoff.
Many of the knot failures are due to either heat buildup when tying and cinching the knot down, or kinking the line above the knot when tying it, then subsequently breaking it there.

Interesting thing is that bites from toothy fish didn't seem to be a problem, as to why I cannot explain.

When respooling it is possible to get an un-noticed kink or stress spot which will eventually break, another problem happens if you have a backlash, that can also cause a kink deeper down in the spool.

I'm not saying that is what happened, but those are things I have personally observed with the product.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2007, 10:08:52 PM »

I use Vanish only for leaders and check and change it alot.
It is very susceptable to kinking and that will guarantee a breakoff.
Many of the knot failures are due to either heat buildup when tying and cinching the knot down, or kinking the line above the knot when tying it, then subsequently breaking it there.

Interesting thing is that bites from toothy fish didn't seem to be a problem, as to why I cannot explain.

When respooling it is possible to get an un-noticed kink or stress spot which will eventually break, another problem happens if you have a backlash, that can also cause a kink deeper down in the spool.

I'm not saying that is what happened, but those are things I have personally observed with the product.


I am almost sure I had a backlash and then the kink got deep in the spool thus breaking.  Now would that be a problem with Vanish or Flurocarbon in general??

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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2007, 10:10:47 PM »

Florocarbons in general are not very forgiving to kinks, but I can't say about some of the newer formulas, some of the other guys can give you more information on those.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2007, 12:28:11 AM »

I too only use Vanish for leaders. But I have read about so many people having problems with it breaking, that I have started to go to
P-line for leader material.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2007, 12:50:35 AM »

I know at the Cincy BPS that they carry actual leader material for PLine and other fluoro lines.  Its located below the rows and rows of line up against the wall.  I "guess" it is meant for leaders onl, and developed from saltwater fishing.  It's usually a small spool of extremely thick leader material. 

I agree with the others that fluoro is very unforgiving.  If you get a loop, look out.  I liberally re-spray my fluoro lines with Reel Magic throughout a day of fishing.  The KVD line conditioner is also very good. 

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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2007, 08:47:29 AM »

Something to know about leader material in general.

Yes, it was used mostly in salt water and fishing fresh for toothy critters.
Actual leader material is much "heavier", or thicker and is in general more difficult to tie, it also kicks the heck out of the action of a lure. The main idea for leader material is to fight against bite throughs, and heavy abraision around the hook area. Thats why I have gone to lines like Vanish, they are easier to work with, and have almost the same equivalent abrasion and bite resistance..

I personally feel it is great leader material provided you keep its weaknesses in mind and take a little extra care when usin it.

Oh Yea, I use a double uni-knot usually to connect the Vanish to the braid, I have noticed that after a few hangups, or hookups, the tightening action of the uni-knot will literally cut the Floro at the point under the knot. I can't explain the cause, but it has happened a few times for me. I have seen that happen with other leader materials also, so I don't think it is a Floro problem, but more another "quirk" of braids.

I don't remember any negative experiences with Vanish when I used a swivel between the braid and leader.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2007, 08:56:01 AM »

I am in the minority here but I never had much trouble with vanish or transition, none that wasn't my fault anyway.  I don't use either anymore because of the price but I had good experiences with both of them.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2007, 10:23:40 AM »

I have never used Vanish line just because of all the bad things I've heard about it... I did buy a spool of Yo-Zuri Hybrid 8# and am more than happy with it.  I got my wacky rig snagged in an old christmas tree the other day and drug the darn thing up to the dock! 
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2007, 11:51:38 AM »

I did switch to PowerPro Micro Filament Line which I really like so far - but not sure if that is a good line to Carolina Rig or Wiggle Rig

what cha think?

Well I did snag my line in a bush the other day and was pulling to get it free.. I had my drag set and everything... and my ALLSTAR rod - snapped!!! right in the middle.  I really wasnt putting too much pressure on it, so it wouldnt mess up my reeland I had just bought is about 3 weeks ago from Dicks and ended up taking it back that night and they let me pick something else out - with out having the receipt. I was very pleased...they were talking about me sending it back etc.. but I told them I didnt want to wait.  I ended up getting a St. Croix Premier instead.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2007, 12:30:03 PM »

Frankly I did not like the performance of Vanish on any of my rods.  Trial and error has led me to use P-Line on my spinning reels and XPS Flourocarbon from Bass Pro on my bait casts.  I like light line so I only use 8-12lb test, maybe 17lb on drop shot rig.  No problems with line breaks or any other issues since I changed over a month ago.  Just my .02.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2007, 12:34:59 PM »

K-Dub,

I'm surprised you use such a heavy pound test for drop shot.  I use 8# on spinning reels, and 10# on baitcasters.  I just read were Steve Clapper won an event out of the Detroit River using 8 and 10# Seaguar InViSX just like I am.  He's a noted Lake Erie specialist, so I hope he is fishng our next two BFL's out of Sandusky, and I'd love to draw him as my partner.

Maybe you live in the land of giant bass, and you need 17# test...

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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2007, 12:55:04 PM »

Two reasons.  Lake/river current effects light line more than heavier line and less line stretch at depths helps with better hook sets.  Although I only have 10lb test on it right now   ~shhh  dont tell the fish
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2007, 01:36:12 PM »

I have been using vanish now for 5 years. You dont have to worry about break offs if you wet the line where the knot will be tied. I tie the simple 1 loop knot 4 or 5 times and start fishing. I have never have had a problem. I respool my reels every 30 days. I also check the first 36" or so of line every day before the first cast and after every bad snag. tree limbs and docks can cause alot of abrasion on the line.

I think the problem people have is that they treat the florocarbon like mono. You cant do that. It may look like mono but is a totaly different composition. There are different things you have t watch out for.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2007, 01:41:28 PM »

Caught my biggest snook ever 35inches on 8LB test on the transition crimson red. I had great luck with it but ended up getting power pro because I needed more strength.
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Re: problem with Berkley Vanish Transition Fluorocarbon Line
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2007, 01:42:44 PM »

I've seen this topic appear dozens and dozens of times.  I tried it last year and had the same line breaking problem.  I've heard more complaints about this line then any other line.  Try cajun red for a good flourocarbon line.
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