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« on: April 24, 2005, 11:01:45 PM »

Many of you know that I can be funny during a rollicking good Tuesday night contest, Some of you may know I can get pretty darned detailed about the technology of fishing, especially, when it comes to the more scientific aspects. People tell me I’m a funny analytical guy!

I’ve only been fishing for two years now and I’m in it head over heals! I was lucky enough to catch a good 24 inch black bass on Kentucky Lake on my second outing and that just hooked me “right in the corner of my mouth”!!! I’ve kept all the receipts from Wally world and BPS; I just afraid to add up the totals!

So, I’ve been trying to get my mind around the issue of “how many and what kind of rods do I need and what would I use them for?” So, off went the scientist in me to do a little research. By sharing it, I hope it helps someone like me who knows he don’t know a lot, but wants to learn.

I’ve been real lucky to be able to go fishing with and learning from some great tournament fisherman, Mike Gowrylok, and his buddy Lee Hill. Both these guys are in on the “Fisher’s of Men” tour in the Memphis area. My brother-in-law, Jerry Spears who got me started fishing. And, his decades long friend, Ted Bowden. I can’t listen to the great men enough. They have so much fishing knowledge!

OK, I came up with 18 basic lures. I’m talking a combination of basic bass fishing lures and rigging styles. These can be broken into where you fish in the water column: top water/floating, suspending, sinking, and on the bottom. (Please, I know I probably left your favorite off the list, but I’m new at this and just learning—forgive me?)

Top water/floating: popper, buzz bait, spinner bait, floating swim bait, floating finesse worms, twitch baits (spooks, etc.).

Suspending: neutral buoyancy stick, crank, or other baits.

Sinking: negative buoyancy sink-to lures, and sinking cranks, like a lip less crank bait.

Bottom: jigs, Texas or Carolina or Florida, drop shot or other weight rigged plastics.

All this lead me to say…I figure I need 18 rods to do my fishing and have one rigged for each type of lure or rigging. Now that’s not to say, I can’t fish these different lures/riggings on the same rod/reel combination, it’s to say I had to break all this down to build it up so I could understand—in my mind, what a hundred year plus of experience my four fishing friends have been trying to explain to me over the last two years.

Whew, bless you if you’re still reading this!

I’ve attached my basic list of lures and riggings with the matched rod action, rod length, handle type, line weight, and lure weight. Most of this I got from studying G. Loomis’ and other great rod manufacturer’s web sites.
Just so you know, I did not buy 18 rods. I got it down to about 10!!!
I’ll post my rod and reel list another time.


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Re: How many rods are needed-My Research
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2005, 11:24:09 PM »

Excellent post  ~c~ ~c~ ~c~ I breezed threw your list of rods and found it to be a very good assessment of the necessary equipment for a specific tactic. Honestly the only one "I" (personal opinion) might do different is I like a 7 foot Carolina rig rod. That may be a little long for some so the 6.5 would be a good start for most  ~c~

I am anxious to see which rods you picked to cover these gamete of possible lures, along with the reels you choose. You started a great thread, now you have me "hooked" and I need to see how it ends ~c~ ~c~ Guess I better dig threw my Davy Jones locker of a rod box and see what kind of info I can add. :-*
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2005, 12:06:58 AM »

I hate to throw another variable into your equations, hooked, but have you also considered the number of rods needed to cover the different line pound tests when throwing crank baits?

One thing for new folks to note while surfing our bass knowledge heaven here on UB.com, one does not NEED to run out and buy a huge amount of rods right off the bat.  You can just add one (or four  ~an~) each time you learn a new technique/lure.  "hooked" has categorized in his mind the amount of rods it would take to fill his wish list of all the rods he acknowledges as needed to handle every situation he will encounter.  This should be an invaluable tool for many anglers just breaking into the sport of bass fishing.  Great idea, hooked!
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2005, 07:38:29 AM »

everyone needs to remember this thread and when folks ask "which rod?" , this will be a great thread to point them too ~c~
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2005, 03:36:34 PM »

Curious why you go with a medium power rod for flipping instead of a MediumHeavy?
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Re: How many rods are needed-My Research
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2005, 04:03:18 PM »

Well cgs2004 this is due to my local fishing conditions. The rod I selected was a St Croix medium with medium action.

This rod has the same strength as some of other brand's medium heavy rods. And, it's a few ounces lighter.

In my area of the country, there are not a lot of lakes with heavy matted cover like lily pads or hyacinths. I have only heard of two local lakes with lily pads. Typically flipping for me is light vegetation or around new lay downs or some buck brush in shallow water.
I can enjoy the extra sensitivity and know I can still put that big lunker out the brush and branches. (Oh, lord, please send me a big lunker to catch!)

If you need to wrestle a hog and 3-4 pounds of extra vegetation out of a deeply matted area, I would agree with you; a medium heavy or heavy action rod would be better.

See, we’re learning here! OK, I’m learning here!  lo
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2005, 05:42:30 PM »

HHHMMMM  maybe I should consider that because the waters I fish sound exactly like what you fish.  I have found that rod power really varies by brand.  I have 2 rods, both medium power that are totally different.  One is a Diawa and is much much flimsier than on I have made my Cabela's.
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Re: How many rods are needed-My Research
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2005, 09:05:24 PM »

Wow, that is some real data.  I am a little different in my choices but I wish I would have seen that list about 10 years ago.  That is a great starting point.It has taken me that long just to get things the way I want it.  I have 14 but I try to keep it down to 9 in the boat.  Has allot to do with where I fish.
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Re: How many rods are needed-My Research
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2005, 09:29:10 PM »

Curious why you go with a medium power rod for flipping instead of a MediumHeavy?

CGS2005, please, remember, this does not necessarily represent my rod locker; rather, it is the research I gathered to understand what a good basic rod locker may need to contain. It is only a beginning, a guide. I’m using it to help me figure out what rod the experts say should be teamed up with what lure.

I have been assembling my rod locker slowly. Upgrading as I need, OK, as I can! I'm getting to learn the nuances of different rods and reels. Finding out what feels best to me. What the differences are between one product and the next and what I can afford.

Underlying all of this is the belief that if there is a piece of equipment…a rod,  a reel, a personal flotation device, I try to get the best product at the best price which will give me the optimal performance and last me through the next 20+ years or so.

No, there may never be an end to my wanting the next new thing, but let me differentiate my needs and my wants. I need a good basic set of rods and reels. I want to get the best I can afford. That is my quest.

I’ll post my rod locker list soon and explain how I use numbering and color coding to see at a glance which is which; very helpful when the blow up fish bats your spinner bait and you need to toss that worm or sinking fluke right on it in a flash as it turns to see if it stunned what it thought was a skittering threadfin shad!
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2005, 09:36:21 PM »

To help me see where you are coming from.  Do you use less than 14lb line on your baitcaster?
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2005, 10:14:11 PM »

Bman,

Yes on some I do.

I like 10 lb Berkley® Trilene XL® Smooth Casting™ Line on the rods used for a top water baits and for lipless crank baits.
I have one reel loaded with 30lb Spiderline origingal braid for buzz baiting and another with Stren 14 lb clear mono for my spinner bait.

NOTE: I have not done my research on fishing line...yet!
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2005, 11:22:08 PM »

I'm looking forward to that research on fishing line!
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2005, 11:19:15 AM »

I hate to throw another variable into your equations, hooked, but have you also considered the number of rods needed to cover the different line pound tests when throwing crank baits?!

OHB, How about you and I start separate thread of discussion about using different lines with different crank baits as well as other baits?

I haven't been able to find much discussion other than general conditions by the manufacturers and anecdotal preferences.

I"ll get it started.
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2005, 11:29:38 AM »

Leave it to me to toss a wrench in the works, or play devil's advocate.

Great post BTW ~c~ Your list of rods/uses is superb...if you're only fishing tournaments...but, if you're into bass fishing in general, you left a lot of really good stuff out of the picture...like super ultralite gear for serious finesse fishing AND, I didn't see any flyfishing gear listed at all...
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2005, 01:27:50 PM »

Fishaholoic,

An astute observation, but the ommission was one of intent.
I'm intent in bass fishing as part of a club with a competitive focus.

I'm just aiming for the basics--that's the focus.
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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2005, 06:12:41 PM »

Fishaholic, a list for a speciallized feild like Finesse or Ultra light would be an excellent addition to this thread. I know you are busy but I think you would be just the specialist to handle such a list, what do you think :-*
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2005, 10:15:52 PM »

Fishaholic, Mike,

There is a need for multiple lists because ther are multiple levels of fishermen.

I'm a relative novice, Fishaholic and you are "pros."

There certainly is room for me to learn more beyond just the basics. May be we can have different threads, one for basics, one for intemediate, and one for advanced?
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2005, 11:03:03 PM »

OHB, How about you and I start separate thread of discussion about using different lines with different crank baits as well as other baits?

I haven't been able to find much discussion other than general conditions by the manufacturers and anecdotal preferences.

I"ll get it started.


I believe that would make a very interesting thread, hooked.  I'll see if I can drum up some charts from a manufacturer that show the diving depths of certain lures when using particular diameter lines.  I know they are out there for the trolling anglers, should be something similar for us crankers.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2005, 08:22:30 PM »

a friend and I did a lot of tests on break strength of mono a year or so back.  I don't remember all, but here are some we took notes on:

15# P-line CXX broke @ 18-19
20# " broke @ 23-25
10# fluoroclear @ 11
20# fluoroclear @ 20-21
17# trilene XL @ 15
14# trilene XL @ 12-13
17# trilene XT @ 19-20
15# big game trilene @ 15-16
17# stren extra strength @ 20-21
10# stren extra strength @ 14!
14# regular stren @ 14
16# magnathin @ 16

The most notable for break strength alone were the few that always overtested especially P-line CXX, and Stren Extra Strength.  Also noted was that trilene XL undertested with both weights we used, and XT overtested.  Seeing how we wasted a lot of line repeatedly breaking it I figure someone should benefit!  Also in general, the "softer" the line the more often it broke at the knot whether clinch, improved clinch, or palomar.  I guess the knot gets more deformed with soft line?
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2005, 10:40:47 PM »

Excellent Post thanks for sharing your detailed info here. This is great information ~c~
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2005, 10:24:47 AM »

Dean, How did you test the break strength of the lines? I would like to try it on some Mccoy I have been using.
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2005, 10:35:53 AM »

Realistically, whether tourney fishing or fishing in general, I think rod selection for how you intend to use them and for what purpose is purely a personal decision, linked with a confidence issue.

But let me tell ya, the information regarding breaking points of specific lines is invaluable, thanks for sharing that!!! ~c~ ~c~ ~c~
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2005, 11:00:13 AM »

Fishaholic, I agree on the confidence issue as well but we have a bunch of folks that are looking for a place to start and I think the chart Hooked put up is an awesome starting point :-* everyone will have to adjust and play from there.
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2005, 11:03:48 AM »

I Agree!!!  ~c~ ~c~
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2005, 11:55:16 AM »

Fishaholic,

Pl-ease, don’t think that I locked in on the list of rods as a rigid rule; oh no, it is a guide for the unknowing. I have deviated from this list quite a bit, but it was and is a good road map for the novice like me to use as a guide.

Here’s what happened to me. I was randomly buying rods and reels. It was a real crap-shoot. I was looking for the “all purpose” rod and reel and I was going to buy 4 or 5 of them and be done. Well…the more I fished, the more I read, the more I chatted with you fine fellows and the great guys I’ve been lucky to fish with, I learned that approach, while a good idea, is not the best one in reality.

I don’t have your knowledge or Mike’s or even that of most other seasoned anglers.
So, I out came my scientific and analytical mind and I set to the task and got me a basic guide, and solid starting point.
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