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« on: October 10, 2009, 05:01:11 PM »

I am looking at buying a 86 Stratus boat. the gel coat on the top and inside the boat is faded and peeling, from being stored outside with no cover. Is it possible to sand the peeling clearcoat, sand the gel and refinish. If so what do i use as the top coat, I have no experience doing it before but am looking to do it myself this winter to save money?
Any advise, links of info would be great. Thanks Mike
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2009, 06:45:40 PM »

I had an '89 Stratos that had a similar issue. I wet sanded it with 1200 grit using lots of soapy water and very little pressure. I then followed it up with a polishing compound and finally a good cleaner wax. Results were well worth it! You'll have to keep a good wax coat on it twice a year or it'll start fading again.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2009, 10:51:38 AM »

We have a couple articles in the Ultimate Bass How To's section. Here is one of them

http://www.ultimatebass.com/content/view/1373/225/

Check it out, lots of great information and from this read and the other articles, it sounds like it is very doable I have an Idea!
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2009, 10:09:03 PM »

The clear coat is flaking and peeling in lots of spots, should I sand the clearcaot first then the gel coat?
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 06:25:19 AM »

The clear coat is the gel coat. If you can see/feel the metal flake then it's too late to sand, you'll need to get it cleaned up and respray some clear/gel on it. Got any pictures?
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2009, 09:10:30 PM »

The clear coat is flaking and peeling in lots of spots, should I sand the clearcaot first then the gel coat?

Sounds like this boat may have been sprayed with an auto clear coat at one time. The clear factory gelcoat will usually not peel, it will  just usually wear away.
If it is peeling and cracking then I would suspect it has been sprayed again with auto clear, or clear gel that was not properly prepped..

To get to the gel underbeat you will have to remove the clear that is peeling, teflon blades and sanding is the cheapest.

A product called  Removall that will lift the damaged clear coat off without damaging the gel coat underneath.

http://www.biowash.com/products/product.php?pid=34

Most all gelcoat can be brought back to look new, unless it is completley wore off and the metal or poly flakes are sticking thru the gel.  Once that happens, the flakes forcing their way out of the gel, then nothing short of re gelcoating will make it look good.

If the gel is still semi smooth under the peeling clear, once You get the clear off you can wetsand/compound and glaze the gel back to look new.

Here is an example of a black gel boat we did last year.

Before wet sanding :



After wet sanding/compound/glaze :




Here are the instructions to do the wet sand/compound/glaze

All the peripheral hardware should be removed from the boat, cleats, handrails, lights, windshields, decals, anything that can be unbolted from the top cap and consoles, etc will make the job easier....less obstructions when using the buffer.
You will need a high speed buffer, not an orbital buffer, the high speed produces the heat that makes the compound cut thru the faded gelcoat, you can use a cheap buffer, no need for an expensive model.


Harbor Freight has an inexpensive 3,000 rpm model.

http://www.harborfreight.com/c...etype=

3M waffle polishing pads.....the white one for compounding/cutting and the black pad for glazing/polishing.

compound
http://www.levineautoparts.com/3mperiirubco.html

Glaze
http://www.levineautoparts.com/3mpe30figl1q.html

black pad
http://www.levineautoparts.com/3mperplusfoa1.html

white pads
http://www.levineautoparts.com/3mpeiiiroedf.html

protec
http://www.protecproducts.com/faq.html

Wet Sandpaper in 1200/1500/and 2000 grit. The grit can be matched to the severity of the oxidation...if it is real bad you may have to start with 800 grit and work up to 1200 grit.

3M Perfect It Rubbing Compound # 05973
3M Final Glaze # 06066

Any hard Carnauba Marine Wax  Collonite makes one of , if not the best marine wax on the market,

Heavy Duty paste Fleetwax :

http://www.collinitemarine.com/products.htm#885



1st step is to remove all the hardware you can.

Wash the boat, remove any tar, bugs , etc stuck on the glass.

2nd step is to wet sand by hand with plenty of water, put a few drops of dishwashing liquid in the sanding water to make the paper slide easier, dunk the paper often to clean the sanded material off the paper.

Start with the 1200 grit, sand the whole area to be redone, rinse off with the hose, repeat with the 1500 grit, and rinse, then again with the 2000 grit....this is very labor intensive , may take you a few days to get thru ..., don't sand too hard in one spot, keep feeling the sanded area, if you feel any of the metalflake ( rough , grainy ) stop sanding on that area or you will sand too deep and expose the flakes.
You'll know You are getting the oxidation off if the water is turning milky colored while sanding, sand till the water runs clear.

When the sanding is done , wash the boat again to get the glass clean of particles, it will look dull but not faded.

3rd step is using the high speed buffer with the white 3M pad and the rubbing compound, do small areas and move the buffer slowly, not keeping it in one spot or it might burn the gel.
When done compounding wash off the compound and dry the boat.

4th step is using the black 3M pad on the high speed buffer and the 3M final glaze to put on a high gloss glaze coat.

make sure you cover the carpeting in the boat with a tarp or plastic to keep all the material off the rugs.

By this time if their was not any actual gelcoat damage the gel should look almost new again.
The final step is putting on a good coat of high carnauba paste wax....then keep the boat clean by wiping it down as soon as it comes out of the water with one of the spray wipes like Bass Boat Saver..

Pro-Tec makes an excellent polymer sealer for the gelcoat, bonds to the glass and seals the pores to help prevent oxidation.

http://www.protecproducts.com/products.html


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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 01:12:37 PM »

Thanks for all the info guys, i just bought this boat for $800, and my son and i are looking forward to fixing it up. Here are a few pics of the gel coat. I am looking to sand or remove the gel coat and finish the boat myself.
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2009, 08:25:12 PM »

I'm thinking someone sprayed this with a clear coat. That's what it looks like to me. Thanks for the pics and good luck with your project!!
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2009, 12:28:05 AM »

I agree, looks like automotive clear coat.  Good news is that after you get that removed it should clean up pretty well.  Good luck, will be some work but well worth the time spent with your son doing it.  After you get it done you may want to look into some BTS to protect it and keep it looking good. 
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