So, had a tourney this weekend...in anticipation of fishing jigs in the middle of brushpiles, I respooled with 15 lb fluoro (trilene)...worked okay...but this stuff is like cable...
Anyway, ended up putting the 7 foot MH rod with 15lb flouro away and concentrating on using my medium action 6-6 crucial with 10 lb flouro...and dropping IKAs into the brush...took quite a few fish out...no problems with abrasion...but, I just couldn't get into the feel of the heavier flouro...
I'll keep the fluoro on my weightless plastic rigs and cranking rod...but going back to good ole Trilene XL clear=blue flourescent 14 lb test on my flipping/pitching rods...
Gave it a try...did not like it...
Again, personal opinion...
Coldfront,I guess it makes a lot of difference what brand you use. My experience with floro has been vith Berkley Vanish and Transition and my experience is just about opposite from yours. What I used was't stiff at all and cast verry well once I tightened up on the cast controls. My problem was breaking off fish when I set the hook and abrasion resistence around rocks. I went back to Big Game and P Line in 15lb test. I intend to try some other brands when I get the chance. About the only time I get a chance to fish anymore is in tournaments once or twice a month and I don't want to experiment then. Like somebody said on here, you get about as many oponions as there are lines.
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Quote from: BassBandit on September 14, 2008, 12:09:48 PM
Try 15 lb. test Seaguar Invizx and you won't look back :)
I agree ~c~
I bought 15lb Seagar Floro and do not like it all. It has so much memory to it. I don't know if I spo0led it on wrong or if i got a bad batch. I have also tried to put KVD spray on it and it seems to relax a little bit but still has to much memory for my liking. That is my only experience with florocarbon. ~gf
I have had good results with 15# & 20# Vicious Fluoro. I always treat them well with KVD Line & Lure before I go out----required for the 20#.
will be lots of different opinions...based on how I fish and what I'm willing to 'put up with' I've found the applications where I will use fluoro and those where I'll use braid...and those where I'm going to stick with good old mono... ;D
yes, I AM a dinosaur... ~gator
I tried a variety of fluoros and stopped finally with Berkley 100%
Using 8 to 10 lb as leaders for my dropshot....(using 10 lb Fireline as my main line.)
12 lb for flukes, 15 lb for creatures and light jigs in shallow clear water, and 17 lb for worms. The only memory problems have been with the 17 lb as I will use braid first and if the bite is tough I go to the Berkley Fluoro for fishing worms in clear water weeds. Seems if the heavier fluoro sits on the reel for a while without being used the memory takes over.
baron, that heavier (15# flouro) just felt too much like cable...personally. ;D
I guess it is all in what we are used too. On Sunday I went to a lake that has a lot of fishing pressure and could not get bit using my normal 50 lb braid for jig and pig. Downsized my jig and trailer and started throwing it on the 15 lb Berkley 100% flouro. While there was some memory in the line at first, after using it for short time it started to go away and after the first fish stretching it there was no more problems the rest of the day.
Personally I like the 12 and 15 lb Berkley 100% when I need to use fluoro. Have not had the issues with this fluoro that I had with many of the others. The 17 lb I prefer for worm fishing when the braid is not producing, but I can see the "cable" idea you are talking about. However, it has not been bad enough to stop me from using it. The sensitivity and abrasion resistance with it is remarkable compared to Big Game, FlouroClear, Trilene XT and Gama lines.
I'm with BB and papa, InViSx is the bomb. I use 6, 8, and 10 for spinning reels, and I use 10, 15, and 20 # on baitcasters. I love the stuff. Sorry you had a bad experience. I ran through many of the fluoros and din't like them until I hit Invisx. Now, I would say I use 80% fluoro. But if you catch fish with 14# XL, I say have at it coldfront.
Eric
Quote from: baron49 on September 15, 2008, 11:12:00 AM
Personally I like the 12 and 15 lb Berkley 100% when I need to use fluoro. Have not had the issues with this fluoro that I had with many of the others. The 17 lb I prefer for worm fishing when the braid is not producing, but I can see the "cable" idea you are talking about. However, it has not been bad enough to stop me from using it. The sensitivity and abrasion resistance with it is remarkable compared to Big Game, FlouroClear, Trilene XT and Gama lines.
I don't have issues with the 10# (crank rods) and 12#(fluke/senko/ika rod) flouro ... in fact used the 12# to pitch weightless plastics into the middle of submerged brush piles...and pull bass out ...short pitches, almost vertical fishing...no issues with abrasion on the flouro whatsoever.
Typically I'd toss the 14# Trilene XL...and just check for knicks after every fish/snag...and after past weekend experience, think I'll be back to that.
Do I recognize that I'm 'way out in left field' on this issue? Yes I do...but apparently, I just gotta be me...no matter how wrong, backwards or cave-mannish it is... ;D
for the record, the XT always seemed/seems to be relatively brittle to me...
If the softer XL works for you then go for it. ;D
As I said, it is all in what you are used to. For me, I like trying out different things just to see how they work. Some are better, some are not, but at least I gave them a try. Hated fluoro when I first tried it, worked with several different brands and now Berkley 100% is doing better then most. I do have issues with the UV getting to it, especially in the 12 and 15 lb that I have spooled on my baitcasters. Seems after a few days fishing in the sun with them laying on my deck it becomes fragile and you have to cut off several yards before being able to tie a knot without breaking the line. Why doesn't it effect the 17 lb the same way? According to Spirit Lake it is a known issue and they don't seem too interested in coming up with a solution. For them what good would it be to make a line that you spooled up in the Spring and would last through the entire year?.....sort of like braid is for some people. If they ever come up with a flouro/braid combination that did hold up and last.....the price would be so high most would not buy it. ::)
I have to agree with Coldfront about Floro. Personally, I feel that all this Floro craze will become a fad in a few years. There is a very limited application where i feel that Floro would be better than Mono. I have had knots slip with Floro, Ive had it crack and break, Ive found it rigid and inflexible, (regardless of the brand) and Im just not sold on it. Id rather have an imperfect, visible underwater, abrasion prone Mono that I catch fish with, than a floro that I have no confidence in. Its easy to strip some mono when you notice a little abrasion on it and retie. It will usually still have some stretch before it breaks. If you get abrasion on Floro, it just snaps...there is very little warning.
It seems great for some guys...Im just not one of them.
I use XPS 17LB flouro for texas riggn and some pitching jigs etc. But mainly I use P-LINE Flouroclear. I love that stuff. It's pretty much invisible and its stronger than mono and pure flouro. Once you use it a bit it gets limp like trilene xl but has a much higher abrasion resistance. I got it on almost all my reels. My REVO's love it.
I use Power Pro Braid and tie on leaders of Florocarbon when necessary. I use a UNI to UNI knot and I recomend to use 2 more wraps on the braid then the floro, in another words 4 wraps of floro and 6 wraps with braid. It is a misconception that Florocarbon has no stretch and that is far from the truth it has a lot of stretch and for this purpose I will use it on cranks, spinners, and buzzbaits.
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Quote from: BassBandit on September 15, 2008, 12:24:06 PM
Do the opposite. Reels facing downward on the deck to keep it from being exposed to the sun. Seem silly I know but, works for me and last longer. Better than regret.
I always keep my reels face down on the deck, it makes no difference. Just annoying that when you go to re-tie, the knots break until you strip off several yards. This is the "recommended" way to handle it according to a phone rep at Pure Fishing. If it were not for the extra feel and abrasion resistance I would go back to P-line or Gama CoPolys.
I am not crazy about using leaders due to the knots, but it might be a better route to use braid for the feel and a Fluoro leader for the abrasion resistance and the invisability. Got to love tinkering with all this stuff.... ;D
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Floro all the way for me thank you very much! ;D
I have one rod with mono for topwater plugs, that's it nothing else.
Two rods with braid one for punching grass with big tungsten weights and one I use for frogs and vibrashocks when I'm fishing a lot of grass. One good snap one the braid and it will clear most any grass that gets hung on the blade.
Everything else is Floro. I use Seager in 15 or BPS in 17 and I do not lose fish like I used to. Yes I do lose some, but would have to say it's less than 10% or what I used to lose because of the line.
Floro does stretch just not as much as mono but that all depends on who makes the floro and who makes the mono on how much stretch there is. Also it is much more resistant to nicks however if you do get one you had better retire ASAP or it will snap in a sec.
While I admit line memory ticks me off when I use open face spinning gear it doesn't phase me on baitcasters unless I'm working a weightless sinko or fluke and even then the loops are not enough to effect the action; unless you are fishing an old spool and have stripped off so much line you are down to the last 3rd or less.
Everyone has a rod/reel/boat/truck - Line they like better than other people for a reason however floro has saved the day for me and made me a true believer.
Quote from: CHUNKY C on September 15, 2008, 11:55:58 AM
But mainly I use P-LINE Flouroclear. I love that stuff. It's pretty much invisible and its stronger than mono and pure flouro. Once you use it a bit it gets limp like trilene xl but has a much higher abrasion resistance. I got it on almost all my reels. My REVO's love it.
I use this pretty much on everything other than frogs which I use 50# power pro. I have used lots of diffrent lines and found this the best compromise between floro and mono and its easy on the pocket book. This stuff is super tough and knots hold.
Blake
I use the bass pro shops reel covers. Easy to get on and off and you can still put it on with the line out. Plus keeps my Revos and Johnny M's looking new.
I was surprised you guys say you put reels face down. I always put mine up but I hate boat rash. I use covers but only in travel and storage Chunky C. To much time to remove and replace as much as I switch between poles.
Blake
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Use the KVD Line & Lure Conditioner the night before you go and a couple of times during the day. It also has great UV protection in it.
Must have for fluro, co-poly, braid and mono too.
Volman
I use the reel magic but I have wondered how well the KVD stuff works. I like the reel magic pretty good. I spray it on the line and use it to wipe off the rod after fish'n. If any body has used both let us know which you like best.
Quote from: blake711 on September 15, 2008, 02:40:22 PM
I was surprised you guys say you put reels face down. I always put mine up but I hate boat rash. I use covers but only in travel and storage Chunky C. To much time to remove and replace as much as I switch between poles.
Blake
I agree with Blake... I have a couple of Johnny M's and the finish is beautiful. I have always been anal about taking care of my rods and reels. I don't put em on er' time I set it down. I guess I should have explained what I meant a bit Mo' Betta!!! When I store them and if they are gonna set on the deck for a while I will slip on the cover.
Quote from: BassBandit on September 15, 2008, 02:46:31 PM
Regardless up or down, correct me if I'm wrong baron, from what he described sound like he's clip the line from spool levelwind, not stripping off the spool because it shouldn't be affected by the UV when the reel faced down or with covers either way.
I am sorry but I really don't understand what you are saying. I treat all my rods and reels on the deck the same way. I take the lure, plug, or hook and attach it to the reel seat. Then make about three wraps of the line loosely around the middle of the rod to stop tangles as I usually have 6 to 9 rods on the deck. Then I place the rod and reel face down on the deck. With the 12 and 15 lb Berkley 100% Fluoro after a couple days of fishing I need to cut off several yards as the line breaks when tying a knot. Was told this is normal UV damage and cutting off several feet to several yards of line from the reel or respooling fresh line more often would stop the problem. Hope that makes things more clear for you.
Quote from: baron49 on September 15, 2008, 08:14:43 PM
With the 12 and 15 lb Berkley 100% Fluoro after a couple days of fishing I need to cut off several yards as the line breaks when tying a knot. Was told this is normal UV damage and cutting off several feet to several yards of line from the reel or respooling fresh line more often would stop the problem.
I leave mine on the deck all the time and NEVER had this issue, not with Stren, Seager or BPS - maybe it's just the berkley :-\
I have seaguar on my jig rod that is well over a year old, I always put my reels line us as I do not like boat rash, never had any issue with line breaking.
I use 10 on my shaky head, 12 on my clear water rods for small worms and flukes, 15 on my jig rod and 20 on my punching rod. I don't think The Seaguar flouro is a stiff as XT which I usually have on my spinnerbait rods.
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If Berkley 100% is the only one with this UV problem then time to move on and try another fluoro. Other then this one thing I have no other complaints about the Berkley.
Seeing how so many like the Seagar I will give this a try next.
Please do not think I'm knocking Berkley, like I've said before we all like our own stuff. :)
However I will say the Berkley had/has issue with vanish and some of the same type of manufacturing they use with vanish might be causing some of the issue you are having now.
I still use the old blue Vanish for leaders on a carolina rig in clear water. I haven't had many issues cometo mind, but I just love Seaguar line. It doesn't seem to matter whether it's CarbonPro or InVisx. I love both lines and can honestly say I haven't had any issues with line becoming brittle.
I will say. I am one of those fisher people who changes lures a lot. I re-tie a lot, so I think I go through a lot of line that others might not go through. Maybe, I use the line faster than most, and it doesn't have a chance to get brittle.
I dunno.....I guess I'm just thinking to myself.
Eric
Interesting about the retying. I have gotten spoiled with braid and the heavier fluoro and do not retie as much as I used to during the day on the water. However, I actually thought this was a benefit of the two lines. Have never slipped a knot in braid and never have had a knot fail in the Berkley 100% once I was using fresh line. I try to set up my tackle the night before I leave and go through all my rods and retie hooks, snaps, lures etc so I know I have everything ready to go. This is usually when I find the problem with the Berkley 100%, after that I just strip off several feet to several yards until I can tie a knot without the line breaking then cut a couple more feet off just to be sure. So far this has worked, but it is just annoying and probably uses more line then if I was retying often like I did with mono. You just can't win anymore.... ::)
Quote from: baron49 on September 16, 2008, 12:25:17 PM
You just can't win anymore.... ::)
Thanks you just made me spit out my MtDew ~roflmao ~roflmao
I HAVE SPOOLED MY REELS WITH VANISH AND IT BREAKS AS SOON AS I GO FISH'N SO IT'S NOT UV IT'S THE LINE. I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBS WITH XPS.
Caps Lock - If you know how to turn it on you should know how to turn it off! ~roflmao
Quote from: CHUNKY C on September 16, 2008, 01:02:47 PM
I HAVE SPOOLED MY REELS WITH VANISH AND IT BREAKS AS SOON AS I GO FISH'N SO IT'S NOT UV IT'S THE LINE. I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBS WITH XPS.
I agree with you on Vanish and Vanish Transition I had serious issued with those lines. However, I will say that the Berkley 100% when using fresh line or cutting off what they call the "UV" damamged portion does work well. Not one broken or shattered line or knot on a hookset, have used it all this year. Just frustrating when you find something that seems to work there is always a "catch" to it.
Fogy....clean up that mess. lo
Quote from: baron49 on September 16, 2008, 01:26:41 PM
Fogy....clean up that mess. lo
It's just the work computer - you paid for it or at least some of your taxes did lo lo
Quote from: baron49 on September 16, 2008, 12:25:17 PM
. You just can't win anymore.... ::)
Does anybody know where I can get some of the old cotton line like we used 40-50 years ago? ~roflmao
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ease up frogy. it's my work computer and we leave them on CAPS LOCK so the in house system will recognize it. besides i didn't know this was typing class LOL ~roflmao
Quote from: CHUNKY C on September 16, 2008, 01:49:47 PM.. besides i didn't know this was typing class LOL ~roflmao ...
~read it's always typing class... ~shhh
(first rule of typing class: don't talk about typing class... ~shade)
;D ~c~
Quote from: CHUNKY C on September 16, 2008, 01:49:47 PM
ease up frogy. it's my work computer and we leave them on CAPS LOCK so the in house system will recognize it. besides i didn't know this was typing class LOL ~roflmao
It's Fogy Chicky C ~roflmao
Just busting you a bit, all in fun; but some folks take all caps as yelling when hanging out in a forum. ;)
hmmm...the voices in my head do scream a lot louder when I'm reading posts written in all caps... ~b~
;D
Yup nothing you can do about caps lock and Speeling errurs. I can block images, adds and emoticons that annoy me with my browser but poor spelling and grammar Firefox doesn't have an add on for yet. As you will notice 99% of my posts are edited because as soon as I hit post I reread it and find an error I made so I have to go fix it. lo
My co-workers say I yell when I talk LOL!!! No problem Fogy...I like given people a hard time. I like it better when they give me one back. :toot: ~goof
Chicky C
my mother-in-law is getting hard of hearing...she's always talking with the CAP lock on ...
j~w Awwwww Shnap!!!!!
Quote from: blake711 on September 16, 2008, 02:57:08 PM
Yup nothing you can do about caps lock and Speeling errurs. I can block images, adds and emoticons that annoy me with my browser but poor spelling and grammar Firefox doesn't have an add on for yet. As you will notice 99% of my posts are edited because as soon as I hit post I reread it and find an error I made so I have to go fix it. lo
Oh, Blake I allways thought you were just wishy-washy. ;D
Quote from: pawpaw on September 16, 2008, 04:19:38 PM
Oh, Blake I allways thought you were just wishy-washy. ;D
That was funny right there pawpaw.. ~roflmao
Quote from: CHUNKY C on September 16, 2008, 03:03:06 PM
My co-workers say I yell when I talk LOL!!! No problem Fogy...I like given people a hard time. I like it better when they give me one back. :toot: ~goof
Chicky C
COOL! WE WILL GET ALONG GREAT ~roflmao ~roflmao ~roflmao
I do the same baron; I always tie the night before, or earlier. I actually did that tday for a tourney on Sunday.
And since I did that, I realized that I do something that I'm leaving out. When I tie new lures to fluoro, I don't spit on the knot. I actually use reel magic to lube the line up before I cinch the knot. I think I saw Jason Quinn doing that to Fluoro line. I think he uses Vicious line and what they call a San Diego knot (?). I'm not sure what that is but I still use the Reel Magic to lube the line. It might help, who knows.....
Eric
That's what makes fishing and forums so much fun. Some can't spell, some can't post pictures, some can't fish, some are even wishy washy......but EVERYONE has an opinion..... lo
Quote from: baron49 on September 17, 2008, 11:31:01 AM
That's what makes fishing and forums so much fun. Some can't spell, some can't post pictures, some can't fish, some are even wishy washy......but EVERYONE has an opinion..... lo
I like that Baron.
Warpath I saw that too, but I don"t remember who it was.
I saw somewhere not to tie floro untill you were ready to use it. Can't remember where that was either. What were we talking about again? ???
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Quote from: BassBandit on September 17, 2008, 01:08:18 PM
I always find it humor that some like to spit or lick the line before cinching it. Before cinching I have the tendency to lower the lure in the water to wet the line then cinch it down.
I actually put the whole knot in my mouth to wet it before cincing down. whether flouro or mono...
now, with stuff like blue-green algae and other wonderful organisms that can wreak havoc with a guys lower intestine in the water, is that a great idea? uh-uh.
But I always enjoy watching our boy Bill Dance bite down on his lead splitshot... :shocking: again, something I've never, ever, personally done... ~b~
MMMMMMMMMMMMM... Fish Wizzzz!!!!!!!!
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I like to tie my palomar knots with my tongue like a drunken college co-ed in girls gone fishing wild. ;D
I have bit split shot with my teeth my whole life. It never caused me to do anything crazy like killing all the peasants or breeding with my sister the future queen.
Blake
Now that funny as S#*T right thar... I don't care who ya are!!!!!
i have been fishing flurocarbon for about 5 years or more now since the first batch of vanish was made, and i had a very bad experience with vanish my first outting with it. I was fishing a BFL tournament and broke off four fish on the hookset. my next line test was with the bps xps flurocarbon which was a lot better than the vanish on knot strength and is suprisingly a limp easily controled line, but did not have the abrassion resistance that i was looking for. After trying numerous other lines including $40 a spool sunline, i ran into triplefish flurocarbon, and gave it a try. This is by far the best flurocarbon on the market bar none! It has almost no memory, incredible feel, and i have swung 7lb fish in the boat with this line, which is unheard of with flurocarbon especially 12-15lb. The best part about it is that it is the most affordable line also. for a spool of 12 lb depending on what kind of sale they are having you will only spend 7-11 dollars on it! I have purchased over 60 spools of it now and could not be happier. Check it out at www.triplefishlines.com
Do they sell it at bass pros or is it an online order only ?
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i always order directly from the site, they always seem to have some kind of sale on their website. Tackewarehouse also had it a while back not sure if they still do. like i said i have paid all the way up to 40 dollars a spool for flurocarbon and this is the best i have ever used by far.