I got to talkin' with Team Illinois the other day and he brought up the topic of RED. He told me he was switchin' from Big Game line to Cajun Lightning Line by Shakespeare. I listened because I'm a HUGE Big Game fan and have been for numerous years.
Anyhow - On the Cajun Line label it says:
Water filters out certain colors more than others. The color red is the first color to be completely filtered. This means tha once Cajun Red Line'TM goes underwater it starts to become "invisible" to fish in as little as three feet of water! All the fish see is the lure.
Cool. very cool. Right?
Well if RED disappears on line wouldn't it stand to reason that it would disappear on lures too?
We're all buying these lures with RED on them because they tell us the RED looks like blood and the bass attack because of it. If red disapperas how can they see it?
Soooooooooooooo...............
Is the color RED a powerful asset to us fishermen?
Or is it a marketing gimmick to get us to buy?
What say you?
Thats a good point and exactly what I thought when I heard someone talk about that at the tackle store. I am not sure if it is a certain hue or what, but I agree if red line is invisible to fish then so would red speckles, stripes or hooks.
I VOTE GIMMICK, but what do I know! lo
Phillip
FFF, Yep that is EXACTLY what it says on the box of Cajun Red! I talked with an Engineer that also plays with underwater camera work and he reflected the same thoughts on this ~read "red" thing. So, then all the baits that I have been switchin out hooks to the color red has been in vain, except there is real blood on my lures now, tho it be mine! ~b~ ~rant. I've actually kept a red magic marker in my "stuff bag" with all the other smelly add on things just to mark lite colored crank baits.. ::)
AND, to add to that FFF, the next time you go "crappie" fishing and keep a few to eat. :) yum yum. Filet one up on the shore and if the H2O is clear drop the carcass back into the water and look at the color of blood as it lays there. Sorta grey ain't it :shocking: so much for red colored blood trail in the water... Is there any "REAL" proof that fish see in color?
I say its both.....in nature red is everywhere. In the right conditions I would think its an assest......But on the other hand, when the marketing guys hear this "red" talk..... its a marketing free for all JMHO :P
Spetro, You are right... we give a bunch of products free space here but it also helps us make better decisions fishing and that is why i'm here :-* To get the straight skinny from the guys that fish all the time...
ps: The sunglasses on the Ape was Great! :roll2:
Here is the website to check out Cajun.
http://www.cajunline.com/science.html (http://www.cajunline.com/science.html)
senkosam posted some real useful information regarding the spectrum underwater...it's in one of the other "old" red hook theory threads.
no one can really make a definitive answer - the color of the water plays a role, as does the clarity or turbidity. Then there's the other problem, we base it all on what we see, and we're not bass. lo
Personally, I believe red hooks catch more fishermen than fish, but there's a whole bunch of guys here that strongly disagree with me.
The grapevine 'round here says your at least 43% bass ~roflmao
~c~ Great topic: ~read On the color spectrum the color red/red will not dissapate in water and become invisible, but various shades of it will...The Shakespeare Cajun line is of that variation, thus being NOT a true red, but a hue of it... As the light diffuses through this variation it projects a red tint to the naked eye, but as the line descends deeper where the light does not penetrate it as much it becomes transparent and very hard for the fish to see...(In a test conducted in Berkley's water chambers the line that had the most strikes was their Fluorocarbon Vanish with the Cajun line coming in second, and after all others they stated that the braids did dismally). I witnessed a demonstration conducted by Debbie on the Pro Staff of Bass Pro Shops in Baltimore recently in their tank. You could see the braided lines, then came the monos, followed by the copolymers, then along came both Vanish and Cajun...The only way to follow the Cajun was to look toward the top of the tank and you could pick out a faint coloration until about 2-3 1/2 feet down than hardly anyone saw it, but watched the bait move....I do not use this type of fishing line, but do use red treble hooks and have found personally to have a better hook-up ratio using the red trebles...It may be psychological, but I believe it works...............Thanks for letting me add my two cents worth ~c~ ~c~ ~c~ PS..Spetro the glasses and cigar added character, why did you change them ?
Boy, everybody has different opinions on this. My observation is that red light does not travel well in water. I think the reason red hooks work is because a fish doesn't see them. I guess red hooks are my first choice, but I don't get worried if I have to buy metal colored hooks.
Neil brings up a good point, if the fish can't see red....they can't see the hooks and might be more willing to bite a bait.
Or....at least that waht I took out of his post! :help:
I never concern myself with red hooks or plain old hooks. I have some of both, and I just grab one of them out of the box when I need one. If its red, okay. If not, thats okay too. I try to focus on the things I can control and the things I know....and leave the things I have no idea about tucked away somewhere they won't drive me batty!!!
Eric
If my memory serves me correctly, red doesn't actually disappear...it becomes a shade of grey, but for that matter...do fish actually see colors, or just shades of grey like so many other animals?
They have done several test on the color red for sure.
One of the reasons the color red is supposed to be good in a lure is not only because of the blood color but also because of the color of a baitfish gills. They noticed that many times a bass would not strike until they seen bluegill's flare their gills, thus, showing the color red.
I know personally, I have increased my catches on spinnerbaits when my trailer hooks were red. Hank Parker says he has increased his catches with red hooks too.
I attended the BU held here in Jan and Kevin Van Dam was one of the pros there. He made a comment on red that actually turned the :-* on for me. He stated he used red hooks because in the clearer, or shallower stained, water the red triggered strikes because the fish could see it and in dirtier water, or in low light conditions/deeper water, the red would diminish/disappear so the fish wouldn't see the hooks, just the bait (as NLareau said). So basically, everyone's theories are right. We just weren't looking at the benefits of each.
Fish,
I think that is the real basis of the argument. What do fish see? And you will get so many different answers, what is the point of thinking about it? At least thats how I approach it.
I've always heard (predominantly, mind you) that fish see black, white (and hence grey), and red. I'm no scientist, so I decided I wouldn't think about it anymore.
Eric
Quote from: BassBUFF on February 01, 2006, 07:10:57 AM
I attended the BU held here in Jan and Kevin Van Dam was one of the pros there. He made a comment on red that actually turned the :-* on for me. He stated he used red hooks because in the clearer, or shallower stained, water the red triggered strikes because the fish could see it and in dirtier water, or in low light conditions/deeper water, the red would diminish/disappear so the fish wouldn't see the hooks, just the bait (as NLareau said). So basically, everyone's theories are right. We just weren't looking at the benefits of each.
of course that's based on his scientific credentials right?
I believe it's a confidence issue...
even red hooks reflect light in the way of shine if it's a bright day...
the red vs blued vs silver vs gold deal has way too many variables to definitively say one way or the other which is best. At what depth are the baits being worked...this has a bearing; what is the atmospheric conditions for the day...this has a bearing; what's the condition of the water...this has a bearing; is there a heavy chop, are you working the bait slow or fast, what type of bait, what size bait...just way too many variables to make absolute statements about any color or type of lure.
the reality is this...sometimes red works, sometimes it don't...sometimes blued works, sometimes it don't, etc, etc...it's all about adaptability and our willingness to find the right combination that catches fish.
based on KVD's statement I believe it's a confidence issue for him...this is my opinion.
Fish,
I can't believe you wouldn't just "believe" KVD? I mean you're from NW IN, and KVD is from MI. Isn't he your idol?
Sorry for the sarcasm!!!
You know I went to two Bassmaster U in the past 5 years. I was fortunate enough to see some great fishermen speak. I'm not saying I couldn't learn anything else from a pro, because I'm sure I could. But After hearing Cochran say one thing and KVD say the opposite on the same topic.....I've decided that it is more important to spend time on the water and develop your own style. I guess that goes along with Fish's confidence line of thought. For me, it's about practice and repetition to develop your own style.
Eric
Amen to that War.
PMA, technique, and practice, practice, practice.
...no one really knows for sure, but the fish. ;)
from where I stand its a gimmick.... only had one fish bite a red hook and it was a toothy critter ~xyz
I'll I got to say about red is
FEAR THE TURTLE!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
I think it is proven that the further down into the water column you go, the more light refracts, and the less you will see colors. Red being on the far end of one spectrum, is the first to go. On the other hand, to say a red hook or red line disappears when it is deep is not accurate. It's not going to disappear, it just is not going to look red, it is going to be gray.
Agree with you FFF 100%...From my college Marine Biology days I remember that Red is the first color in the spectrum disappearing underwater in as little as 3 feet. I myself don't use red hooks but there are alot of guys who will swear by it and I sell alot of red hooks and lures outta the shop here. If a lure is a "bleeding" series type of bait I would magine scent or action has more to do with it than color does.
Well if your not using red trebles good that leaves more for me. lo Why do they work I don't really know. I just know that when I have a red hok on a crank bait that's the one in the fishes mouth.
I don't think KVD's confidence needs boosting I'm pretty sure he has lots of confidence in his knowledge and fishing abilaties.
Now not all of my crank baits have red hooks but if I'm getting bit on a bait then chnaces are that I will add a red hook to see if there is any difference in the way the fish are taking the bait. Usually there is so the red hook will stay on that bait. Just my personel experience.
Another thing I have noticed when the red wears off the bites I had been getting slow down, I put on a fresh red hook and the hook ups start happening again.
DO catfish, drum and the other species see the same as bass? Because they eat the red hook too.
I know FishA, it's My Confidence. lo IF it makes ya feel good DO IT. ~shade
Red line actually turns a darker color under water, in some instances black. Never understood why to use red line when clear line is already, well, clear :-\
I seem to catch more fish too with a red hook, and here I thought it was just a pretty color lo
Blake, supposedly pink line is invisible to fish, but thats what I thought of the clear too :-\ I use pink, yea, cus its pretty ~roflmao
Yeh, Sharon........I saw YoZuri came out with a pink line and I thought -hey maybe I should try this.
Then I thought..........................naw better not. -
Why not, we wont tell ~shhh
I can't tell a difference in the amount I catch using the red hooks or normal hooks. I just bought a pack about a week ago.. but no difference in my eyes.
Oh Man, Looks like we are opening up this ole can-o-worms again :roll2:
I went to a siminar that scott rook was putting on and he said he did a test with his crankbaits and 90% of the time the red hook is what they were on, that is why he only puts a red hook on the front becouse he would reather them bite the front hook, he said he was not coinvinced on his plastics yet.
Wow, is this one back again? Sorry but it was a gimmick when this thread started and still is.....
Quote from: clubber on April 20, 2007, 12:08:14 AM
Wow, is this one back again? Sorry but it was a gimmick when this thread started and still is.....
I agree but don't tell anyone I said so ~shhh ~roflmao
So it's not surprising that it comes up again. It's an interesting question. I can't say without a doubt that it works or doesn't. I use red hooks, they don't cost me anymore than bronze, grey black or even green hooks, and to me they SEEM to work better. Can't speak about the red line though, never tried it.
I know it seems like we are beating a dead horse, but newer members have the right to discovery, just like we did in the past.
Dug
Quote from: GotstaFish on April 20, 2007, 12:09:49 AM
I agree but don't tell anyone I said so ~shhh ~roflmao
I wont tell anyone either Karl...
So why do you have your craw colored jigs again???
lo :roll2: ~roflmao
OH thats RIGHT... :-* they are the same color as REAL crawdads... and they work, hmm who woulda thunk it?
If it looks real in shape and color to the forage in the area you WILL catch more fish than those using lure which dont match the hatch at the same area...
I DO NOT think this is a gimmic... there are several studies which show bass can see in limited colors... why should we doubt scientific proof?
EDIT: adding information directly taken from wikipedia who has MANY multiple references:Senses
Lateral Line: The Lateral Line is a series of pores located alongside the bass. This set of pores is used to detect vibrations in the water. This is sensitive enough to detect the speed, size, and shape of another fish.
Sight: Largemouth bass have color vision and they mostly use their sight in clear water. However, in low visibility conditions bass do not use their sight as much as their sense of vibration though their lateral line or their sense of smell. Depending on water clarity, largemouth bass can see anywhere from 100 feet to 5 feet.
Hearing: Bass have ears located inside of their skull. However, because sound travels through water much better than air a bass has a very keen sense of hearing.
Smell: Bass use smell to detect prey or predators. Their smell is very sensitive and if they smell a predator nearby they will swim away from the area.
Mike A
Land O Lakes, FL
Quote from: mlakrid on April 20, 2007, 06:26:23 AM
I wont tell anyone either Karl...
So why do you have your craw colored jigs again???
lo :roll2: ~roflmao
OH thats RIGHT... :-* they are the same color as REAL crawdads... and they work, hmm who woulda thunk it?
If it looks real in shape and color to the forage in the area you WILL catch more fish than those using lure which dont match the hatch at the same area...
I DO NOT think this is a gimmic... there are several studies which show bass can see in limited colors... why should we doubt scientific proof?
Nobody said a bass can't see in color. (I can't believe I'm doing this again lo) All I know is the "Red" theory takes on 2 completely different sides. One says a bass can see the red hooks and strikes and the other says that their red line disappears so the bass doesn't see the line. In my "Opinion" I think for one, red hooks are junk, they bend way too easy. Two, I have tried them and have had no difference in the results as far as having bass hit the red hook more than a bronze hook.
Now, as far as your statement.
QuoteSo why do you have your craw colored jigs again???
lo :roll2: ~roflmao
OH thats RIGHT... :-* they are the same color as REAL crawdads... and they work, hmm who woulda thunk it?
Are you serious? Comparing a natural crawdad to a hook? I don't see the relevance in that one. Tell me what in nature has red hooks sticking out of it and I'll buy what your trying to sell here. lo Making a lure imitate the surrounding forage is one thing, but to say if I don't believe in the red hook theory why do I worry about lure color is ridiculous. Of course I want my lure to imitate the food source, doesn't everyone?
Now who woulda thunk it? Answer, everyone, its no secret. ;)
Looks like a hot topic so i thought I would put my 2 cents in.
I have personally never noticed a difference one way or the other with the red thing. I have fished the clear lakes of the boundry waters, and the clear lakes of TN, as well as the murky waters around the midwest. Nearest I can tell it's a wash. I am a natural color kinda guy, however I don't think the red hurts. When selecting new tackle if it has red hooks then so be it. I am not looking for that specifically but if they are already on it then no big deal to me. I look more for vibration, and baitfish color match than I am hook color. So for me if it's already on their fine if it's not fine. If it doesn't help that's ok I still manage to catch fish, if it does help then bonus.
MHO
Grape
OK this is just my 2 cents, If anyone doesnt beleive this you can try it for yourself. As far as the red line it is just as visible at 30ft of depth as it is at 1 ft. I have gone diving and experimented with it. Now it is true that the farther you get away from the line it does disapear. However I havent seen a bass that can eat a lure from 4 ft away. Light refraction has to do with distance from the color under water, not depth that the color is under the water. It was a gimic and still is a gimic. this is very easy to see for yourself if you dont beleive me. Get a mask and go in the water and I promise you I know what result you will come back with. Like I said before put the line 1 foot from your face in 30ft of water and it will be just as visible as it is on the surface. I just hate to see these gimics come along to take our money. Dont take my word for get in the water and seee for yourself. Now take the money that you would spend on the red line and lets go have a ~beer~.
Quote from: shawnrg33 on April 22, 2007, 02:09:47 AM
OK this is just my 2 cents, If anyone doesnt beleive this you can try it for yourself. As far as the red line it is just as visible at 30ft of depth as it is at 1 ft. I have gone diving and experimented with it. Now it is true that the farther you get away from the line it does disapear. However I havent seen a bass that can eat a lure from 4 ft away. Light refraction has to do with distance from the color under water, not depth that the color is under the water. It was a gimic and still is a gimic. this is very easy to see for yourself if you dont beleive me. Get a mask and go in the water and I promise you I know what result you will come back with. Like I said before put the line 1 foot from your face in 30ft of water and it will be just as visible as it is on the surface. I just hate to see these gimics come along to take our money. Dont take my word for get in the water and seee for yourself. Now take the money that you would spend on the red line and lets go have a ~beer~.
~c~ You should work with "MYTH BUSTERS" :roll2:
Quote from: GotstaFish on April 22, 2007, 10:31:35 AM
~c~ You should work with "MYTH BUSTERS" :roll2:
:-* You think they would want to sponsor a stiky old bass fisherman? lo
I am pretty sure Cajun line doesnt want to sponsor me now. ;)
Quote from: Fishaholic on February 01, 2006, 07:05:24 AM
If my memory serves me correctly, red doesn't actually disappear...it becomes a shade of grey, but for that matter...do fish actually see colors, or just shades of grey like so many other animals?
Fish do see color...what we don't know for sure is whether or not they perceive it like we do...what I suspect is that we are guilty of anthropromorphism (ascribing human responses to animals) because that's the way we think...kind of like, I can learn Spanish or French or German, but my thought process would continue to be in English...
I don't think the red line disappears...but that's me...and then too, there's the issue of the lateral line (another sense fish use to 'see' underwater)...
Finally, when putting a red hook on the front position of crankbaits, it seems anecdotally confirmed that a greater number of fish strike the front trebal...they 'see' something different...
I remember (or think I do) an In-fisherman article once that tacked the topic of 'what fish see' and I think I recall they said that bass were able to 'see' stuff at up to 25 feet in muddy water...if I remember correctly and I'm old enough now that this may not be true...further, of course they didn't describe the conditions or controls of the experiment, so I'm only assuming they rigged it to filter out the impact of the lateral lines...
Interesting topic for sure...just wish they'd respect fishermen's intelligence enough to put some of the important stuff in the articles....even if it were only the 'reference' section at the end of said article...
I have always been a skeptic and try to confirm or bus these gimics if I can. The line gimic is easy for anyone to bust. these companies bank on the fact you will take there word for there products. But like I said color refraction has to do with distance the color travels through the water and not depth from the surface. I have never heard of any one being able to hook a fish from 4 ft away from the lure and that is the distance you have to be from the line for it to disapear. :)
If red's a gimic just give me all of your red lure's (Rayburn red Rattle Traps) and any other red crankbaits you wasted your money on. lo
Quote from: bass1cpr on April 22, 2007, 08:09:17 PM
If red's a gimic just give me all of your red lure's (Rayburn red Rattle Traps) and any other red crankbaits you wasted your money on. lo
Red hooks, not crawfish painted crankbaits. Big difference.
Quote from: bass1cpr on April 22, 2007, 08:09:17 PM
If red's a gimic just give me all of your red lure's (Rayburn red Rattle Traps) and any other red crankbaits you wasted your money on. lo
The red line is a gimmic, As far as the bleeding baits, I feel like what ever color the fish see the blood from a baitfish, it is the same color they see the red on a bleeding bait as. whether it is red or blue or pink or purple or gray. what ever color it is it looks like blood to the fish. So I will keep my red baits. ;) ;D
OK, heres what I think. A person can see the red in fishing lines. But light passes through and "may" disappear in water. However, red hooks are a solid feature and therefore a fish can see the hooks. :-\
I'm gonna get me some of them red hooks and some of that red line. Heck, I'm even going to paint my rod and reel red. Maybe even my green truck. Can't miss then, should win every tournament I have this year. :bang
Never tried red line never intended to never will. Red Treble Hooks I love em.
Hey Gotstafish, Red is Red is Red >:D :roll2:
Quote from: bass1cpr on April 24, 2007, 07:54:10 AM
Never tried red line never intended to never will. Red Treble Hooks I love em.
Hey Gotstafish, Red is Red is Red >:D :roll2:
Yes it is, but, a crankbait painted to match a stage in a crawfish' life is completely different than just throwing a red hook on any old crankbait. This will be a never ending discussion because what it boils down too is what you have confidence in and if putting a red hook on the end of your line makes you feel more confident then you are going to catch more fish. On the other hand, fish against a guy who has more confidence in a pink and purple pok-a-dot hook and see what the outcome is. If red hooks were that much better and had been proven by top pro's in the industry, don't you think every lure manufacturer would be putting them on their products, I know I would. Instead. I opt for a higher quality hook and let my lure attract the fish, not the hook. In my experiance with red hooks they are more likely to straighten out on a large fish due to the material they use in order for the anodized finish to hold to them. Like I said, this is "my experiance and opinions" and I'm not trying to push them on anybody, simply stating what has happened during my use of them. If I have some lying around you are more than welcome to them, but, I'll keep my red crawfish crankbaits. ;)
lo Wow one line got all that. lo
I've never bought into the Red Line I figure people buy it because they like the way it looks. I was buying and using crankbaits long before the Red Hooks ever came around. My confidence is in my crankbaits. Red trebles seem to help and make a differance on baits that run to about 8 feet after that they all have black nickle hooks. Well maybe just a couple that I experimented with but that's not why I was throwing thsoe crankbaits to begin with.
Tried Red circles for drop shot didn't see any real benefit, Never bought any Red Worm Hooks either.
Mustad Ultra Points are my number one choice for plastics.
Been using red line for about 8 months now and I like it. Now does it disappear or is harder for fish to see than regular mono, I don't know. I do know that I haven't found that anyone I'm fishing with that is using regular mono is getting any more bites than I am and vise versa. I like the red because I can see it above water which makes it easier to watch my line. I do find it interesting that other companies haven't jumped on the red line bandwagon. Almost all hook companies have red hooks but as far as I know Shakespear is the only company putting out a red line. Like stated above if you have confidence in it than that's all that matters. I'm sure in the near future someone will come out with some gimmick that will suck us all in as usual and we will have another thread running "is it a gimmick". Heck that's what makes and keeps this sport interesting. ;D
Quote from: Rattle on April 24, 2007, 01:28:03 PM
Been using red line for about 8 months now and I like it. Now does it disappear or is harder for fish to see than regular mono, I don't know. I do know that I haven't found that anyone I'm fishing with that is using regular mono is getting any more bites than I am and vise versa. I like the red because I can see it above water which makes it easier to watch my line. I do find it interesting that other companies haven't jumped on the red line bandwagon. Almost all hook companies have red hooks but as far as I know Shakespear is the only company putting out a red line. Like stated above if you have confidence in it than that's all that matters. I'm sure in the near future someone will come out with some gimmick that will suck us all in as usual and we will have another thread running "is it a gimmick". Heck that's what makes and keeps this sport interesting. ;D
Power Pro has a red line out also.
Karl is that what you use on yours.
Quote from: Lipripper on April 24, 2007, 04:11:29 PM
Karl is that what you use on yours.
I use the bright yellow most of the time. I do have a few spooled with the moss green.
If you read into the cajun red material it doesnt disappear like it does untill its at lease 15 feet depp.
i ,m with Clubber but i am a sucker for green. green truck,boat ,green vibrashocks.
Quote from: Rattle on April 24, 2007, 01:28:03 PM
I do know that I haven't found that anyone I'm fishing with that is using regular mono is getting any more bites than I am and vise versa. I like the red because I can see it above water which makes it easier to watch my line.
AMEN!
Quote from: GotstaFish on April 24, 2007, 03:54:26 PM
Power Pro has a red line out also.
Phantom Red is the name, and I purchased a 1500 yd spool of 50lb power pro for $100
:D
I love it!
Mike A!
Land O Lakes, FL
Scott, I believe it to all be a marketing gimmick for the simple fact that though red disappears, the object it's covering doesn't, only turns to black. I was watching a video yesterday of what different colored lures do underwater as they travel deeper and eventually everything turns to black anyhow.
It's all a bunch of hocus pocus hoooey.
You want your hooks to be invisible? Coat them in a clear coat Ultra-Violet (UV) blocker, basically a sunscreen. Fish have a natural sun blocker in their skin (ever see a sunburned fish?) and it's my belief that fish see in color, but not as we do, but rather much like a temperature heat index/color index. I think different fish and other prey items put off different heat/UV sigiatures in water, thus making one creature less seen than another one.
I believe the slime coat on a fish is this UV blocker itself.
Quote from: JayPea2006 on April 25, 2007, 06:51:29 AM
Scott, I believe it to all be a marketing gimmick for the simple fact that though red disappears, the object it's covering doesn't, only turns to black. I was watching a video yesterday of what different colored lures do underwater as they travel deeper and eventually everything turns to black anyhow.
It's all a bunch of hocus pocus hoooey.
You want your hooks to be invisible? Coat them in a clear coat Ultra-Violet (UV) blocker, basically a sunscreen. Fish have a natural sun blocker in their skin (ever see a sunburned fish?) and it's my belief that fish see in color, but not as we do, but rather much like a temperature heat index/color index. I think different fish and other prey items put off different heat/UV sigiatures in water, thus making one creature less seen than another one.
I believe the slime coat on a fish is this UV blocker itself.
Very curious theory. Might have to do some reseach on this one. Something else to occupy my mind in all this rain
Quote from: JayPea2006 on April 25, 2007, 06:51:29 AM
Scott, I believe it to all be a marketing gimmick for the simple fact that though red disappears, the object it's covering doesn't, only turns to black. I was watching a video yesterday of what different colored lures do underwater as they travel deeper and eventually everything turns to black anyhow.
It's all a bunch of hocus pocus hoooey.
You want your hooks to be invisible? Coat them in a clear coat Ultra-Violet (UV) blocker, basically a sunscreen. Fish have a natural sun blocker in their skin (ever
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The problem is, it's all theory and it's all opinion. What we need is proof one way or the other. Until then I will believe whatever I chose to and I will let you believe whatever you choose to do. Permit me the same courtesy. If I ever get a chance to communicate with a Bass or other fish, I will let you know........ lo lo
What do I believe?
I believe:
Red turns to black at 15 meters. before that it's red.
I believe Red does not hinder fishing.
I believe red hooks do add something to attract fish under certain conditions (Namely clear blue skies)
I have no opinion on red line but I haven't gone out of my way to try it.
I believe Jack Daniels is good for hair growth ;D
I believe scotch drinkers are egomaniacs ;)
I believe coors and coors light are over rated :P
I believe I will go fishing this weekend ~c~
The only one of these that is certain is that I will go fishing this weekend...... :)
Dug
These types of post always draws good discussion and it is interesting to see what most people believe and don't believe as well as the reasoning behind their belief or disbelief. To break this all down is quite simple:
Do you have to have a big fancy bass boat to compete or be successful in bass fishing?
Do you have to have top quality rods and reels to compete or be successful in bass fishing?
Do you have to have $15 crankbaits or other high dollar baits to compete or be successful in bass fishing?
Do you have to have red line or red hooks to compete or be successful in bass fishing?
The answer to all of these questions is NO.
There is one thing that you must have to compete or be successful at bass fishing.
Confidence
Quote from: Rattle on April 25, 2007, 11:03:10 AM
These types of post always draws good discussion and it is interesting to see what most people believe and don't believe as well as the reasoning behind their belief or disbelief. To break this all down is quite simple:
Do you have to have a big fancy bass boat to compete or be successful in bass fishing?
Do you have to have top quality rods and reels to compete or be successful in bass fishing?
Do you have to have $15 crankbaits or other high dollar baits to compete or be successful in bass fishing?
Do you have to have red line or red hooks to compete or be successful in bass fishing?
The answer to all of these questions is NO.
There is one thing that you must have to compete or be successful at bass fishing.
Confidence
Another great point ~c~ ~c~ ~c~ ~c~ ~c~ ~c~ ~c~ ~c~
Quote from: Dug on April 25, 2007, 10:28:24 AM
The problem is, it's all theory and it's all opinion. What we need is proof one way or the other. Until then I will believe whatever I chose to and I will let you believe whatever you choose to do. Permit me the same courtesy. If I ever get a chance to communicate with a Bass or other fish, I will let you know........ lo lo
What do I believe?
I believe:
Red turns to black at 15 meters. before that it's red.
I believe Red does not hinder fishing.
I believe red hooks do add something to attract fish under certain conditions (Namely clear blue skies)
I have no opinion on red line but I haven't gone out of my way to try it.
I believe Jack Daniels is good for hair growth ;D
I believe scotch drinkers are egomaniacs ;)
I believe coors and coors light are over rated :P
I believe I will go fishing this weekend ~c~
The only one of these that is certain is that I will go fishing this weekend...... :)
Dug
And I'll buy all of that too :roll2:
OK Dug, you owe me a new keyboard! ~roflmao :roll2:
lo
I wouldn't count on getting it anytime soon. I am fresh out of keyboard money. Sorry.
~roflmao
Quote from: Dug on April 25, 2007, 05:58:06 PM
lo
I wouldn't count on getting it anytime soon. I am fresh out of keyboard money. Sorry.
~roflmao
Get him one with some
red keys. I heard they make you type faster :roll2:
Quote from: GotstaFish on April 25, 2007, 08:16:08 PM
Get him one with some red keys. I heard they make you type faster :roll2:
It depends on what type of light he has in his house. The keys may disappear 15 inches away. :roll2:
Quote from: Rattle on April 25, 2007, 08:19:56 PM
It depends on what type of light he has in his house. The keys may disappear 15 inches away. :roll2:
:roll2: :roll2: :roll2: ~beer~ ~roflmao ~roflmao ~roflmao
Now I need a new keyboard lo
:bang Crap! There goeas another one! You two are on the "list" also!! :roll2: :roll2:
LOL you guys are crazy!!
Heres my two cent....This topic will never cease.....we caught fish and lots of them before they came out with this marketing gimmick...to get us to buy into the color Red..I myself like to keep it simple so I'll stay with what has proved to catch fish a good presentation and movement and trash the rest..IMHO.....
Now where are those apple red worms I caught them fish on the other day .... ~gator .... :roll2:
Topcat
Quote from: theskinnyde on April 26, 2007, 09:39:56 AM
LOL you guys are crazy!!
I prefer the word "Disturbed" thank you very much :roll2:
Quote from: GotstaFish on April 26, 2007, 11:48:49 AM
I prefer the word "Disturbed" thank you very much :roll2:
or as i like to put it..."VOID OF NORMALCY"!!!!
Quote from: pretjah on April 26, 2007, 11:51:28 AM
or as i like to put it..."VOID OF NORMALCY"!!!!
not completely void. Perhaps Low level normalcy, but there are SOME things I do normal.
Dug
I prefer to say you guys must have no life lol!! So how is this relevant to "red line" LoL i am just tring to give you all a hard time!
Quote from: theskinnyde on April 26, 2007, 01:22:29 PM
I prefer to say you guys must have no life lol!! So how is this relevant to "red line" LoL i am just tring to give you all a hard time!
No Life :o Son, I got a life and life is good ~shade lo Oh, and red line is not a part of it lo
Quote from: GotstaFish on April 26, 2007, 01:46:59 PM
No Life :o Son, I got a life and life is good ~shade lo Oh, and red line is not a part of it lo
Straight up gangsta! :fishy
Can you say...
"M*A*R*K*E*T*I*N*G"I ain't buying ;D
and here's another one:
"A*N*T*H*R*O*P*O*M*O*R*P*H*I*S*M"
Fish thinking to himself: "Hey, look at that red word swimming across the page, it must be bleeding! I think I'll eat that word first!"
Word thinks: "If only I can swim a few feet deeper, I'll be nearly invisible!"
Look...it works! Here is the same word at 12' as seen by a bass. Notice the difference! :o
" "
And finally, here is the same red word, 10' of water tied to fluorocarbon line!!! :o ;D :o Utterly amazing!:
-T9
~goof
lo Intersting Topic :-*
and here I thought ANTHROPOMORPHISM turned gray at 15 feet...learn something new ever' time... :)
Quote from: Team9nine on April 26, 2007, 05:35:32 PM
Can you say...
"M*A*R*K*E*T*I*N*G"
I ain't buying ;D
and here's another one:
"A*N*T*H*R*O*P*O*M*O*R*P*H*I*S*M"
Fish thinking to himself: "Hey, look at that red word swimming across the page, it must be bleeding! I think I'll eat that word first!"
Word thinks: "If only I can swim a few feet deeper, I'll be nearly invisible!"
Look...it works! Here is the same word at 12' as seen by a bass. Notice the difference! :o
" "
And finally, here is the same red word, 10' of water tied to fluorocarbon line!!! :o ;D :o Utterly amazing!:
-T9
Now I need a new keyboard. :fishy lo
IT IS SIMPLE PEOPLE, Get in the water with the red line and see for yourself. Been there done that and wont be wasting my money on any more. ;)
Quote from: GotstaFish on April 26, 2007, 01:46:59 PM
No Life :o Son, I got a life and life is good ~shade lo Oh, and red line is not a part of it lo
AMEN Karl ~c~