Someone capture the pic of his boat sitting out of the water in the trees and post it...
Glad he and his Marshall survived that!!
I am glad they are ok too, but if you act a fool to long its gonna catch up to you, exspecially in these stumpy waters of the south...
Here's a link to the pictures... Could have been real bad.
http://www.bassmaster.com/blogs/2013-sabine-river-challenge-live-blog/ike-loses-control
I love the third picture which shows his Toyota Wrap and it says "let's go places". lo
Unreal. Always some drama with Mike.
Someone was looking over them, 3 feet to left would have hit that tree..
Up a Tree without a paddle.lol
the lake level dropped quick
I bet that Marshal wants to go home, NOW!
:surrender:
He's lucky his Marshal is up and smiling!
I'd be in a neck brace, on a back board, and dialing my injury attorney with dollar signs in my eyes!
Just kidding of course. Some of these guys are frightening to ride with. I think Two Marshals have been thrown before - one with Remitz and another with Marty Stone. Conservative is not a word I would use to describe Ike and his driving!
There's bound to be damage to the hull ? Wonder what is deductible is? Sheesh
Quote from: Catch 22 on March 15, 2013, 12:27:29 PM
Here's a link to the pictures... Could have been real bad.
http://www.bassmaster.com/blogs/2013-sabine-river-challenge-live-blog/ike-loses-control
Glad they are ok . The rest is lo lo lo
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Story as of now is that he hit something in the river and caused him to lose control. luckily he went between those trees rather than up one.
Funny, looks like BASS shut down the previous pages of the blogs. Perhaps in fear of these photos of Ike up in the trees? Maybe a bad image for BASS and not a good recruitment tool for future Marshals. Maybe because they are more like crime scene photos? Maybe a pending investigation?
Correction - it's back up and the photo's are still there.... not sure why I couldn't pull them up before.
Wow, that cold have been real bad...
Hell of an advertisment for his boat if they are able to get it back in the water and there's no hull damage. Ike's gear should be bullet proof anyway. I can't believe theres not a big ole hole on the left side. Every angler should have a come along and winch just for times like this.
Unbelievable can you imagine being the marshall, with not much to hang on to.
Its easy to get thrown from a boat.
most boats have an handle to hold - but I personally could not hold my weight from being thrown over. In this case, looks like you could brace with your feet to keep from being thrown forward. But who knows what kind of spin they went into before going into the woods? One thing for sure is - that Marshal will have a story to tell and pictures to back it up!
We need some up date pictures. I want to see what kind of production it is to get it back down?
Quote from: jocko on March 15, 2013, 01:19:06 PM
Hell of an advertisment for his boat if they are able to get it back in the water and there's no hull damage. Ike's gear should be bullet proof anyway. I can't believe theres not a big ole hole on the left side. Every angler should have a come along and winch just for times like this.
No kidding, same for the motor if there's no lower unit damage... :shocking:
just my luck one blows a motor and the other one runs his boat up a tree....
HA ! ~roflmao I feel your pain! Who could have predicted any of this?
These pictures are really amazing. Looks like the point of impact was the dirt bank just to the right of the motor. Then up the bank hitting something in the woods head on causing the back to walk to the left. He is really lucky to have missed some of those larger trees.
BCB reported earlier...
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Early morning conversation with Becky Iaconelli was that Mike was running thin water trimmed up and jacked up, hits a log or stump and nose comes down rudderless, which tucks it right up the bank.
BCB
I am with you LeBlue. The pic is classic.
At speed all he had to do was lift quick and he would nose it into the trees.. I would stick with the "I hit something" story though.. lo
makes sence to me. Catches air over the log - comes nose down and motor doesn't make contact (trimmed way up) so no steering or power (loss of control). The boat is going to go where ever the hull was redirected with the impact (right up the bank into the woods) if he got alittle sideways while in air or bounced. Must have happend in mere seconds.
Hmmmm. i wasn't aware that bank fishing was allowed in the Elites lol. Tournament fishermen are always trying to do something different or to have an area all to themselves. Looks like Ike sure did both. ~shade
If he would have thought about it, he could have put his power poles down before he hit the bank and stopped the boat :-*
If he'd have thought about it he wouldn't be running skinny water like that at a high rate of speed putting his passenger in danger like that....but.....then again .... ~read
He saw a big female squirrerl on a bed.
Always heard Ike was TOUGH on his gear but this is a new level. Might make resale of anything he's had extra risky ~roflmao
The only way you can run skinny water is on pad.. I am sure it is somewhere he had been in practice and thought it was clear..
As far as putting the Marshall in danger..,.
That is on the Marshall's shoulders.. These guys are fishing for 100k and there gonna do whatever they have to do to win.
i am glad there was not any injuries. i am going to guess by looking at what is on the bank, seeing no rocks, that there is not any hull damage. i have ran bass boats at high speed for lots of years, but not in unknown skinny water with a passenger that i am responsible for. no amount of money is worth injury or loss of life. perhaps B.A.S.S. needs to take a look at going back to a 150hp limit. there are some boats running 250's that are pushing or surpassing 80mph. in my opinion, there are not very many people that have any business running a bass boat at that speed. it is just like racing. not very many of us have any business behind the wheel of a race car. same can be said about operating a bass boat at high speeds. it takes special touch, feel, quick reflexes, experience, and how to drive way out in front of you running at 70 plus in a bass boat. i really do not think that just because anyone fishing bass or flw, or any other tournament automatically qualifies them to operate a bass boat at high speeds. seems that tournies might need some common sense rules for saftey. just my opinion.
bo
Guess I don't agree.. I have routinely ran through water that is so skinny that sitting the boat down would result in it being there untill the next flood... That was where the winning fish were and If I wanted to win that was the only choice..
That is just part of river fishing and Marshall's need to understand that there is inherent risk when riding in a river system.
Yeah - it was unfortunate - I agree. Pros have alot on the line and getting to where the bass are is key.
But the pro does have a responsibility for the safety of his passenger. This goes beyond BASS rules and is a basic rule of boating. Ike is ultimately responsible, period. The Marshal is not on he own shoulders.
I agree that a bass boat draw the least water on plane and running water like the Sabine sounds like a nasty place to run.
This is a never ending argument...
The Marshall's Pay to see how these guys catch fish... This is how they do it..
If the Marshall is not willing to accept the danger that comes with it then they don't sign up..
To ask them not to run to there water because it might be hazardous, would make the same sense as asking them to slow down at the classic because frostbite might happen at high speed..
It is rediculous.
Ike did nothing wrong..
Bo,
It couldnt be said any better, just like driving a car it takes common since and a drivers License, when you dont have either one thats what happens
I find it funny that y'all think Ike did something wrong and none of you were there.. lo
At 70 mph even with rudder if you unpower hard and drop the nose of a boat it will hook period... I don't care if there is 300 ft of water under it.
So did he drop a jig in that stuff and start fishing it or what?
Quote from: -Shawn- on March 15, 2013, 07:08:26 PM
I find it funny that y'all think Ike did something wrong and none of you were there.. lo
Were you there to say that Ike did nothing wrong?
Quote from: jocko on March 15, 2013, 01:19:06 PM
Hell of an advertisment for his boat if they are able to get it back in the water and there's no hull damage. Ike's gear should be bullet proof anyway. I can't believe theres not a big ole hole on the left side. Every angler should have a come along and winch just for times like this.
Reported from BCB...
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Ike's boat is good. A crack maybe and the rub rail torn, plus a few scuffs on the bottom.
Quote from: -Shawn- on March 15, 2013, 07:11:21 PM
At 70 mph even with rudder if you unpower hard and drop the nose of a boat it will hook period... I don't care if there is 300 ft of water under it.
shawn, my exact point that not everyone is qualified to be running a bass boat at high speeds. just because someone has one does not mean they are a really great driver at high speeds. i have been in the boat with several that are not a safe driver, even at 50mph. i do not know a thing about ike's driving skills, but you really need to know when it is safe to be running like that. i do not care if they are fishing for 100 grand, safety comes first. lets put some other factors into the equation of what happened. what if, ike was meeting or passing another boat, and he took that 90 degree turn into or into of another boat causing a horrific accident?? does that mean there is not fault or negligence just because ike was fishing for 100 grand. as i stated before, not everyone is really qualified to drive a boat at high speeds. there also has to be some common sense about safety. there are other boaters on the water, and you are responsible for your passenger.
bo
I can understand how you someone that fishes highland lakes more than river systems might think that way.
Down here there are lots of places that you have to run 1-2 miles of 2-3 foot water to get to 15 foot of water ... It is just something you learn to do to win..
Falcon is a great example, the fish 20 miles up the river are untouched by those that are scared to run 10 miles in 2-3 foot of water.. I ran there last winter and the only guys I had to share fish with was Alton jones and Keith Colmbs.
My original point was and still is that these guys are gonna run skinny water, fog, 8 foot chop or anything else they have to to win.. The Marshall's have to know that in advance and if they are scared they need to stay home.
Quote from: UMDFisherman on March 15, 2013, 08:21:23 PM
Were you there to say that Ike did nothing wrong?
Have you heard his Marshall saying that he did?
I've been following this most of the day on several websites. It amazes me how quick some are to point that he must have been doing something wrong because he is Ike. Hell I've seen pics of the Marshall smiling after this all happened.
Merc, after all these years I'd say its safe to say he knows how to run a boat at high speeds.
I have to agree with DB... I think that any of these guys that spend 300 days a year on the water are pretty savvy on bassBoat driving..
Ike has fished in LA for the better part of 20 years and I am SURE he has learned the proper way to run a boat in shallow water.
He hit something in the water it's plain and simple. This can and will happen on any lake in the country. Doesn't matter how fast or slow your going or in what depth of water.
It's not like he pulled a Shin Fukae
Quote from: -Shawn- on March 15, 2013, 10:53:20 PM
I have to agree with DB... I think that any of these guys that spend 300 days a year on the water are pretty savvy on bassBoat driving..
Ike has fished in LA for the better part of 20 years and I am SURE he has learned the proper way to run a boat in shallow water.
we all drive cars too, but that does not make us race car drivers. and driving a boat at 70 plus is much more difficult than driving a car at 70. i watched a guy put a brand new basscat up on the bank. and he made a mistake at high speed, hooked the front, and up on the bank he went. this guy has ran boats his entire life, and he was the first to admit, that he was going faster than his abilities driving at high speeds. driving crazy on the higway or on the water puts innocent people at risk. i know you are going to try to justify it, but there are other factors of safe operation to be considered here. those other factors are the safety of others using the water.
bo
wish i could do that to my boat and still have money to get another one haha lo
I am not going to try and justify it. Don't need to. Plain and simple, we run shallow in the south, because we have to.
These guys push the limits of there equipment because they have to.
You can sit and try to say that they don't have to take chances to win but they do and will. This is the way they feed their families and they can either push the limits or starve, because if they don't there are 98 others who will..
Running a boat is dangerous, you either accept that fact or stay home. That is the choice every one of these Marshall's make on their own. Nobody is putting a gun to their head.
I have to agree with Shawn. There are a couple spots on the Red River that you have to run on pad or trolling motor. I run them on pad because that's where the fish are and in a tournament thats a risk that has to be taken from time to time if you want to win. Shit happens. Professional race car drivers wreak all the time and y'all don't get on here calling them dumbasses. Y?? Because that's part of the game. I'm not an IKE fan just ask DB I'm a fishing fan and understand the risk that have to be taken to be on top.
Just curious, if all this stirring of the pot would be happening if the angler was Stacey King, Rick Clunn or Shaw Grigsby?
This is a fluke accident, and luckily nobody got seriously hurt or worse.... no different then the accident that happened a couple weeks ago at the NASCAR Nationwide race at Daytona. A tire ended up 10 rows into the stands, and the engine was sitting along the walkway. HORRIFIC accident, 2 people ended up needing surgery... does that mean a NASCAR driver cant control his car? NO. The entertainment value comes from someone taking the car/competition to the absolute edge and toe-ing the line...
I don't think it is stirring of the pot.. It is just a misunderstanding of the water we are routinely faced with in the south and what it takes to fish it.
People forget in Louisiana there are 10k acre lakes that are average 2-3ft depth in the Boatlanes... Caddo is a good example of having to run on pad over the top of stumps..
It is just a fact of life and we learn to
Live with it.. Hard for guys that fish highland lakes to fathom.
For the record, Shawn, I'm with you.
Being from Maryland, NO I don't know what it is like to run in that shallow of water but I did live in Florida for a while and got a little taste of it. Iam a highland reservoir fisherman.
I was really making my comment to the guys who are doggin' Ike out for doing something that could happen to any of them. Fact is, what he was doing is what they all were doing. Alot of people dont like Ike but he is one of my favorites. Impossible to count the number of young people he has attracted to this sport and sponsors must know this because he has weathered the storm after some poor decisions. He is EXTREMELY marketable.
I would be his wing-man anytime.
there have been many reasons posted as to justify risk taking. some have quoted nascar events and some that the marshalls pay to ride in the boat, but what about others that are using the water that are not in the tournament, but just out enjoying a day of fishing? so, if ike's out of control boat hit an innocent by stander, it was justified because he was fishing a tournament?? that does not justify anything. things of this nature are exactly why tournament fishing leave a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of the public. i am just saying that tournament as a whole would be looked at in a different light if they would all apply more stingent safety rules. we all have to admit thatway backin yester year, there was not the traffic on the road that there is today. you could get away with a driving mistake and not cause and accident. that is not the case now. our waterways are just the same. there is way more boat traffic now. so, safer boating is a must. plus, if tournament fishing values public support, they are the ones that have to set the standards. luckily ike's accident ended up without harm, but it could have a much worse ending. it could have ended up involving someone else, just an innocent by-stander. i will give an example. here on table rock in a central pro-am tournament one of the contestants running in the 70mph range was running in narrowed water coming up behind a boat. that boat stopped to pulling to fish and the tournament contestant ran over them. now just because the guy fishing the pro-am tournament was fishing a tournament, did it justify his poor judgement of running too fast for the conditions and run over an innocent by-stander?? no, it did not. common sense and safety first has to come into play sometime. and accidents like ike's do not shed a good light on tournament fishing. if we do not police ourselves, eventually we will get policed, and probably will not like the policing. just my opinion and i am sure there will be continued arguments on both sides.
bo
First off, if "IF" was a "SKIF" we'd all go for a boat ride.
I see you are fm MO. So the type of water on the Sabine you never experience up there. Do you even know where Ike was? Who was around or near him? Obviously NOONE. Picture him shooting through a slough where visibility is fine and he KNOWS noone is around or close to him. All of the sudden he smacks an underwater stump or log that drifted in the channel over night. THAT COULD HAPPEN TO ANYONE!
Have you any idea the number of bass tournaments in this country and the minimal amount of "accidents", all things considered. The story you pose, well that boater was a bonehead and wasn't practicing safe boating methods. Hey, I could be wrong but if my memory serves me correct we haven't had one of the pros kill someone AND THAT IS BECAUSE SAFETY IS 1ST TO ORGANIZATIONS LIKE BASS AND FLW. So your point is mute....null.....void.
Accidents are going to happen and we need to thank the good Lord He kept those guys safe thru it all. There is a difference between accidents (Ike) and stupidity (your example).
Merc, you continue to prove my point that you do not grasp the water they are fishing.. There is no "safe" water anywhere close to where they are fishing.
When I say no where close I mean they are running 100 miles of 2-3 foot swamp water.. Simply idleiing is not an option.
I am not a big fan of Ike on the water, but your assumption that he was doing something wrong in running shallow water is 100% wrong.
Merc, why are you assuming he was doing something unsafe? Accidents are just that, an accident. Maybe he was driving unsafe, maybe he wasn't, we don't know. If a deer jumps in front of me on the highway and I hit it, does that make me a reckless driver. Here Ike was driving to water he practiced on and now something got in his line that wasn't there before. Why assume he was being unsafe?
Southern water is shallow by nature, northern water typically is not. That said, you run what you have to run in order to get to the fish you want to fish. I have fished all kinds of water and can say that even those highland lakes have their issues. I fished Dale Hollow after a very heavy rain and there we more obstacles in the water to avoid than I had seen in a long time but when you are boat #2 and have 125 boats behind you, you either run or get run over, either way it's dangerous. I hit everything from coolers to logs to lawn furniture that day and was fortunate enough to miss a few propane bottles...hell, I think I might have hit a couple of pot stills...my point is that Ike was doing what the rest of us do when faced with a given situation, make the best of it...this time it didn't work out so well for him but at least nobody was hurt. Y'all can arm chair QB anything you want, but if you were not there, you don't have enough info to judge...just my .02
Stripped down to its most basic, fact is, there is nothing safe about running 70mph in a 20' fiberglass hull in open water......
......then toss in no seatbelts, no "cage", shallow water, narrow river turns, floating debris, stumps, trees, other boaters, even mechanical breakdowns accidents are going to happen.
To assume and even imply that IKE was being reckless is nothing short of absurd.
They just announced from now on the elites are fishing out of kayaks all because of what Ike might have done or might not have done maybe kinda sorta almost a little bit sometimes. Sweet.
Quote from: smartbass102 on March 16, 2013, 09:19:20 AM
Just curious, if all this stirring of the pot would be happening if the angler was Stacey King, Rick Clunn or Shaw Grigsby?
I was gonna say that but last time I said something similar it cost me a friend :/
I'm from the north, NY, farther north than Bo and can show water that is very scary. You can be in 25 foot of water and 18 inches later be in 8 inches of water. If you had a tournament on Stillwater Reservoir half the field would lose their lower units and at that speed, probably be in the hospital. I was fishing a tournament on Fairhaven Bay off Lake Ontario, deep water, known by all who fished the tournament yet we had a boater stick his nose just after blastoff, the motor was ripped from the hull, one of the 2 guys in the boat had internal injuries and broken bones he had to pulled from the water before he sank, the other guy had some broken bones also. There were 2 mistakes made, a charter boat went up the middle of the putting up a 3 foot wake which is what tourny guy hit and neither of the 2 guys was wearing a PFD which almost became a fatal mistake. Nobody saw the wake, several others hit it and almost lost control, the person at fault, the numbnuts charter guy. Accidents can happen anywhere.
BASS has safety rules as well as all Coastguard rules apply, if Ike had gone by anybody on plain he would be disqualified as happened to Swindle in a tourny a few years back. The mistake Ike made was not seeing how the water was dropping.
Rodney
Quote from: Mike Cork on March 15, 2013, 04:43:55 PM
If he would have thought about it, he could have put his power poles down before he hit the bank and stopped the boat :-*
Somehow Ike doesn't quite strike me as the if he would have thought about it kind of guy lo He's got more of the let's do this and see what happens sort of thing going on.
Quote from: DBrooke on March 16, 2013, 01:08:23 PM
I was gonna say that but last time I said something similar it cost me a friend :/
If he didn't like your opinion...he was only an acquaintance...you can say anything you want as your opinion...even if I don't like it, you're still my friend because friends go beyond trivial stuff...just sayin'.
Guys I didn't read all the 3 pages of post, but the Wreck wasn't his fault,, it was a Under water Log he hit..
And he might have been the only one hit the bank but there were a ALLOT of boats and Motor with some major Damage Thursday and Friday when I walked through the Parking lot after weigh in
I was there and was talking with his Marshals Dad when he called and told him(His Dad) what happen and that he was ok.. And he wasn't going 70+ he just past a Boat that was taking Pictures and then slowed again to go around a Low hanging tree when he hit the Log or Motor or whatever it was under thee...Bottom Line it was a Accident and there was ALLOT of Equipment Tore up down there.
It dose not matter if Ike was right or wrong.....you can be dead right or dead wrong....The problem with all of this speeding.......in the tourneys is going to catch up with all of us bass anglers....In Oklahoma they have started to police more lakes and setting up speed limits.....you can not drink on the lakes anymore.....even if its just one beer...they will get you for open container....this all started because of the number of accidents on Oklahoma waters.....people running over people trying to get to a fishing place and not yelding to the right away and skiers driving reckless running over patoon boat and killing two innocent elder people who was anchored down catching crappie..I have seen people fishing and bass anglers trying to get to a spot ( first ) speed by a Jon boat fishing off shore... and gave them a bath...That is not called for.....So the people hate to see us comming or hear a tourney is on the lake.....because of all of the disrespect they receive from bass anglers.....Its not our water it belong to everyone...everyone have a right to fish and be safe on tourney days.....If there is no safe water where the anglers are fishing then the director need to make it off limits....In all tourneys....
from the Bass Master Elite series to the Local tourneys.......if it is not safe it should be off limits......even to us who think we are the best boat operators in the world....and we can do the impossible.......
Topcat
It was an ACCIDENT....... and that is all there was to it. He hit something and the boat bowhooked, unless you redesign all bassboats back to tri hulls and reduce them to 75 hp it is going to happen.......
50mph or 75mph when you drop the bow and catch a chine you will lose control.
The problems that states have with Boating has nothing at all to do with how fast the boat goes or doesn't go............. it is because so many have the me attitude. The same dang thing goes on on the highways everyday.
As far as guys being in the middle of the lake in a flatbottomed boat at Daybreak........ the aree STUPID.. I can tell you I have almost ran them over several times........ Fishing in the middle of the boat road with not one damn light on. Guess what? that waas not one bit my fault......... those idiots should have their boat taken away from them and made into beercans.
I am sick to death of Bassboats being blamed for almost running over IDIOTS that want to be in the middle of the lake without proper lighting.
Sorry, but 90% of the time that is Exactly what happens........ They aren't out there in a well lit boat that you can actually see. they are in a flatbottom dark colored boat with ZERO LIGHTS.
I agree with Shawn on this one. It was an accident. Now if he was totally wreck less and happening all the time then I think something should be done. I guess people use to running in 3' of water don't think this is a big deal. Just like Shawn said about someone fishing in a boat road. That's just stupid. It's like getting hit in the middle of the interstate by a car because they were trying to get a quarter.
I have to agree with Top Cat, the FLW is here at Beaver every year and I now take that week to fish out of State and the year they didn't come here due to Walmart not supporting them was my favorite year because those guys make me fear for my safety on the water even during practice week.
I drive for a living and want to relax and fish on weekends not fight traffic and fear for my life, I have even thought of moving over to Reelfoot Lake in Tn because there are so many trees no one runs through there at 70mph.
But it isn't all Bass boats, I also don't fish Table Rock after Memorial Day because of the Wake boats...but it is bad when fellow fishermen interfere with fishing as much as water skiers.
To each their own but I keep up with BASS and FLW just to make sure we don't cross paths.
I feel alot safer with Bassboats running around me at 70 than I do anywhere I have skiboats and pontoons running around at 35mph.... And I fish Lakes with 90% of the boats being 70+ mph boats...
I guess I have a different point of View, because I fish lakes that don't have many ramps and it is common for everyone to run 20-25 miles in one direction........ Speed is Necessary when having to make runs like that.
If you fish Lakes that have a ramp in every cove, then you have NO idea why faster bassboats are needed.
I don't really understand why folks are scared of speed...... :-\
At least in Texas 80-90% of boating accidents are caused by pleasureboats that are not in any way High speed boats.
Quote from: topcat on March 19, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
I have seen people fishing and bass anglers trying to get to a spot ( first ) speed by a Jon boat fishing off shore... and gave them a bath...That is not called for.....
This happen at 8:30 in the morning....and those two guys had as much right to the water and being where they were as the Bass Anglers...you don't need lights that time of morning....I have almost ran over prople who Didn't have proper lights or no lights.....I was on my way to a fishing spot...If I had killed those people I would have never been the same......
It want be long before we have a major wreck in the Elite series or Flw...It want matter who was right or wrong....rules will change and bass fishing will never be the same anymore.....the wreck may only involve just one boat trying to fly on skinny water and he hit something ( rock, stump, floating log or a net.......and things will never be the same.....If that marshall had died...it may have been a accident...but things would have changed a lot......I guess that is what it is going to take to get Anglers attention.......
Topcat
What will it Change? You can't shut off 100K acres of water because there might be a hazzard..........
If you hit something and drop the bow it will hook at 70 or 50............ Accidents happen and will continue to happen and the last thing we need is some Liberal government trying to save us............
Untill this becomes a continual problem then any cries for regulation are premature ............ That is Exactly what is wrong with the whole country right now.
Come on............. What your saying is the same as saying that if someone blows a tire and runs over someone on the sidewalk that we should limit all cars to 5 mph and shut down all the sidewalks........ That is EXACTLY the same thing.........
Im' with you Shawn... There was another boat near him... and he slowed down to pass it... got to a point where in case something happened, it was still safe to take off.... and something happened.. and nobody was hurt. It was an accidental situation. The hypothetical "what if" argument is ridiculous because he took the precautions to minimize the risk. There WAS a boat there. He DID come off plane to pass it. Who knows.. had that boat not been there taking pictures, he could have gone through on plane, never had a problem, and nobody would even be talking about it.
Wow, my computer went down yesterday and I missed all this.
First - I don't fault IKE. I think alot of people do - given his wild reputation. I too may have jumped to that conclusion - until I read how it happened. It is an accident as shawn said and I don't feel IKE was in the wrong. What happened makes perfect sence and Ike did nothing wrong that I have read.
I agree that Marshals should know it could be dangerous and there are risks. Yes Marshals volunteer and in fact pay for this priveledge. I have Marshalled before and I am always amazed that about half of these guys have NO clue what they are in for.
I know that Stone button hooked his basscat and threw the Marshall overboard - he was not hurt and continued on for the day. I know Remitz hit a submereged wing dam and his Marshal got ejected on to the bank and had a back injury. Remitz followed another boat ahead of him yet his lower unit hung. Accidents happen to no error of the drivers. There will be more - BASS does not need to make any adjustments for this. It comes with the territory.
I do however reject the idea that the Pro has no responsibility for his Marshal. I'm not saying he has to slow down because his Marshal may get frost bite. Some of these Marshals have no clue and have never been in a bass boat. Some are elderly and the ride can be very rough on them. I think there is a flaw in the system. There should be some sort of qualification process for Marshals. The pro has enough on his mind - that he shouldn't have to worry about his running , when his marshal wasn't prepared for his day or is fragile and didn't know what he was getting into.
My only point and the point I wanted to make is: maritime law states the captain of the boat is responsible for its passengers - regardless if it is a cruise ship or bass boat. The driver is ultimately responsible. That's my only point. I don't think that is arguable. That is the law of boating.
Im not gonna say that Ike did something wrong, but I will say that I have personally seen how "wreckless" some of these Pros can be. When the FLW was here at Lake Okeechobee, my buddy and I had a Pro go past us at idle in a very shallow path that they followed us into, and then 5 feet in front of us get up on plane. Now, not only did that stir up all the water that we were searching for beds and such, but he did not know that only 50yds away around a sharp bend that the water was going to get real shallow REAL QUICK. As we sit and wait for what was going to happen, we both chuckled. Then it came, the bog, and then the back and forth throttle to get unstuck, lol. Obviously not famialiar with the area, but who cares if they damage the boat right? I mean thats what the sponsors are for. My point is, boats dont have brakes like cars, so you cant compensate for a slight misjudgement fast enough. I would agree to put a HP or speed limit restriction on bass boats for there will be less of a chance for deaths, and just be overall more safe. NASCAR does it with restrictor plates and more safety features, but with the car you have a cage protecting you, and a seatbelt that holds you in place. Doing 70-80MPH in a car is fast even since you have brakes to slow down, in a boat its just crazy. My friends boat will do 50, but I will not drive it faster than 30-40. You might be the best boat driver, or motorcycle rider in the world, but there are always gonna be those "knuckle drivers" that dont pay attention to what they are doing, and will make your day go from good to bad in a split second. I have had a second chance in life due to a very bad accident in which I do not know what happened, and no witnesses came forward. That car crash will forever be in my life, and being a Firefighter, safety is a BIG thing for me. If you choose to do 70-80MPH on the water, just keep in mind that you wont always be as lucky as Ike was, and please be carefull. God bless.
Jocko- Yes You are Correct in that Maritime law does State that the Captian is responsible............... And I beleive if you are Blatantly Reckless you should be held Responsible....... However, My statement still Stands........ These Guys are Fishing for their livelyhood and will not Change their gameplan and leave what they think is a winning area because a Marshall is in the boat............ The Marshalls sign a binding release that says the understand that it is inherently dangerousand they are given the opertunity to back out......
As far as speed limiters............. OMG!! This is turning into the Gun Debates.......... There was an ACCIDENT lets ban all boats that go over idle speed........ Better yet lets put theses guys in Rowboats and pad the gunnels......... That way nobody gets hurt........... ~c~
You know this is just REDICULOUS that we are even having this discussion........... Boats have been going fast enough to bowhook since the early 80's Why are we now running around like Chicken little now?
It is Just like this.............. if you are scared of Fast Boats........ there are Electric only and Horsepower restricted lakes all over the Country...... GO there. DON"T try to legislate to me that I have to spend an extra HOUR driving down the lake because you are scared....
Falcon is 80,000 acres with 2 ramps one in the middle and one at the dam........... Speed is necessary to travel the lake........ The lake is full of 75mph boats 24/7/365 and there are zero incidents............ Do you Know why? Because the Slower Boats on that lake, which are usually the mexican fisherman, understand they don't pull out in front of faster traffic, When they do have a faster boat coming behind them they move to the right and they wave you by....... All while Smiling and enjoying thier day. Not Crying and complaining because a boat is passing them.
I am glad I live in a State that doesn't have a problem telling people if the want more regulations they should move somewhere else.
Quote from: -Shawn- on March 20, 2013, 09:56:59 AM
Jocko- Yes You are Correct in that Maritime law does State that the Captian is responsible............... And I beleive if you are Blatantly Reckless you should be held Responsible....... However, My statement still Stands........ These Guys are Fishing for their livelyhood and will not Change their gameplan and leave what they think is a winning area because a Marshall is in the boat............ The Marshalls sign a binding release that says the understand that it is inherently dangerousand they are given the opertunity to back out......
As far as speed limiters............. OMG!! This is turning into the Gun Debates.......... There was an ACCIDENT lets ban all boats that go over idle speed........ Better yet lets put theses guys in Rowboats and pad the gunnels......... That way nobody gets hurt........... ~c~
You know this is just REDICULOUS that we are even having this discussion........... Boats have been going fast enough to bowhook since the early 80's Why are we now running around like Chicken little now?
It is Just like this.............. if you are scared of Fast Boats........ there are Electric only and Horsepower restricted lakes all over the Country...... GO there. DON"T try to legislate to me that I have to spend an extra HOUR driving down the lake because you are scared....
Falcon is 80,000 acres with 2 ramps one in the middle and one at the dam........... Speed is necessary to travel the lake........ The lake is full of 75mph boats 24/7/365 and there are zero incidents............ Do you Know why? Because the Slower Boats on that lake, which are usually the mexican fisherman, understand they don't pull out in front of faster traffic, When they do have a faster boat coming behind them they move to the right and they wave you by....... All while Smiling and enjoying thier day. Not Crying and complaining because a boat is passing them.
I am glad I live in a State that doesn't have a problem telling people if the want more regulations they should move somewhere else.
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It's all the fault of his flat bill I say. Ban em all and world peace will reign.
Quote from: -Shawn- on March 20, 2013, 09:56:59 AM
Jocko- Yes You are Correct in that Maritime law does State that the Captian is responsible............... And I beleive if you are Blatantly Reckless you should be held Responsible....... However, My statement still Stands........ These Guys are Fishing for their livelyhood and will not Change their gameplan and leave what they think is a winning area because a Marshall is in the boat............ The Marshalls sign a binding release that says the understand that it is inherently dangerousand they are given the opertunity to back out......
As far as speed limiters............. OMG!! This is turning into the Gun Debates.......... There was an ACCIDENT lets ban all boats that go over idle speed........ Better yet lets put theses guys in Rowboats and pad the gunnels......... That way nobody gets hurt........... ~c~
You know this is just REDICULOUS that we are even having this discussion........... Boats have been going fast enough to bowhook since the early 80's Why are we now running around like Chicken little now?
It is Just like this.............. if you are scared of Fast Boats........ there are Electric only and Horsepower restricted lakes all over the Country...... GO there. DON"T try to legislate to me that I have to spend an extra HOUR driving down the lake because you are scared....
Falcon is 80,000 acres with 2 ramps one in the middle and one at the dam........... Speed is necessary to travel the lake........ The lake is full of 75mph boats 24/7/365 and there are zero incidents............ Do you Know why? Because the Slower Boats on that lake, which are usually the mexican fisherman, understand they don't pull out in front of faster traffic, When they do have a faster boat coming behind them they move to the right and they wave you by....... All while Smiling and enjoying thier day. Not Crying and complaining because a boat is passing them.
I am glad I live in a State that doesn't have a problem telling people if the want more regulations they should move somewhere else.
I wanna move to Texas and then can we secede????
I think we are on the same page completely. ~read