What I mean is do you think the sound of braid going thru guides when retrieving lures turns fish off?
I'm mainly a braid to short leader fisherman. I use regular power pro, and can hear/feel it resonate. I heard someone say that they think bass can hear braid on things like A-rigs, swim jigs etc. I never really thought about it before. What say you? Is it worth experimenting with?
IMO, they can, as they can likely feel vibrations that we can't, but since fish are caught often using braided lines, it's not a big issue or anything to make me decide to not be using braid.
Frankly, again IMO, this is just another thing that we being human may over think, like whether bass or any other fish see our line. ~shade
There are some things that may put off fish from biting, but most of these "problems" folks think too much about are not usually among them. ;)
Probably but I don't care. Like everyone here I've had days fishing where I can't stop thinking what am I doing wrong including questioning my tackle. But I've had days where it didn't matter what I threw or how they'd bite. So I believe we give bass too much credit. They aren't that smart but sometimes they just aren't hungry.
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According to this, they can not hear it at all. They may feel vibrations far better than they can hear because of their lateral line:
http://sfrc.ufl.edu/allenlab/Popular%20Articles/31_DrMikeAllen_July_12.pdf (http://sfrc.ufl.edu/allenlab/Popular%20Articles/31_DrMikeAllen_July_12.pdf)
They compared results to other studies
with largemouth bass. They tested the
hearing of the fish by placing them in a tank
with speakers that can transmit sound of
different frequencies. They put an electrode
in the brainstem of the bass and could therefore
tell when the brain waves reacted to the
sound.
It turns out that bass do not have very
good hearing — they lack a connection between
the swim bladder and the inner ear,
which some fish have. Fish that have this
connection have excellent hearing, but the
bass is not included in this group. All three
species of bass could apparently hear sound
only at very low frequencies; most of the
sounds in the range that we would typically
hear caused no brain reaction from the bass.
Johnston told me, "Long story short, bass
are essentially deaf." Hearing through the
inner ear is not the only way that bass hear,
and like all fish, bass can detect vibrations
in the water from the lateral line. However,
bass hearing through the ear is very poor.
Well, I too have read similar studies like FFF mentioned.
I too fall somewhat in the thoughts of BigJim....and frankly, Sandman.
I truly don't think line is anywhere near the biggest tangent on whether or not a fish strikes your bait.
With that being said,
If anything, I think the vibrations and or sound would INCREASE the likelihood of a strike.
Whether it's due to feeling the vibrations through their lateral line or actually 'hearing' the braid.
In reality, a 'silent' lipless crank or any crank bait for that matter, ISN'T silent.......they just don't have 'rattles' in the lure's frame/body.....the trebles are still knocking against the body when your retrieving it, creating sound/vibrations.
Good question/thought, Fun4me!
I don't know but it hasn't kept me from catching fish. I also use Power Pro 50 and 65lb on most of my rods with no leader. I agree most over analyze the whole deal. Like fish seeing the line. lo What ever works for you but for me I don't give the fish that much credit. Its not human and the best I can tell doesn't reason all that great.
I'm so sure, if they can I think it would minimal at most, braid is soft so the sound vibrations would be absorbed to a large degree I think.
Rodney
I was sitting on a pier one windy day, tight line, still, saltwater fishing, I kept hearing a hum, thought it was the sirens of the deep trying to communicate with me. It actually was the braid vibrating in the wind. Man, I caught a ton of fish on my rigs that had braid on em that day, the mono rigs weren't as productive.
After that day I started to listen for the "music" and realized that some days it might be a positive and others it wasn't. It became to much a hit or miss thing to be concerned about IMO.
Pferox that makes sense. Some days fish will strike a lure with rattles over a silent one, other days a rattling lure seems to spook them and the silent ones work. While other days nothing works and you go home and find a skunk award from Lip lol.
Fish dont care bout line, music, or noise. They dont know any better. I caught a smallie this past weekend flipping a jig with braid, even after I was told I probably wouldnt get bit. I listen to music on the water, loud. And obviously fish with braid.
I read in an old Field and Stream once, that the noises that scare them off more often than not are the loud, sudden, percussive noises.
I seem to recall it even mentioning specifically that music in the boat likely won't bother them, but someone smacking a paddle against the side of that same boat seems to affect them.
I really can't remember much else about it, LMG's comment about the music triggered that memory.
Quote from: LgMouthGambler on October 30, 2017, 10:23:51 AM
Fish dont care bout line, music, or noise. They dont know any better. I caught a smallie this past weekend flipping a jig with braid, even after I was told I probably wouldnt get bit. I listen to music on the water, loud. And obviously fish with braid.
Quote from: SteelHorseCowboy on October 30, 2017, 11:07:52 AM
I read in an old Field and Stream once, that the noises that scare them off more often than not are the loud, sudden, percussive noises.
I seem to recall it even mentioning specifically that music in the boat likely won't bother them, but someone smacking a paddle against the side of that same boat seems to affect them.
I really can't remember much else about it, LMG's comment about the music triggered that memory.
Speaking of loud sudden percussive, did you catch any when you had your 80s-90s rap whim going, LMG? I can imagine some NWA might run a few of those LMs off LOL
Quote from: cport on October 30, 2017, 01:50:00 PM
Speaking of loud sudden percussive, did you catch any when you had your 80s-90s rap whim going, LMG? I can imagine some NWA might run a few of those LMs off LOL
I am sure some of the newer "Rap" and I use that term very loosely, will probably run bass off. Heck seems to be running a lot of people off lol.
Quote from: cport on October 30, 2017, 01:50:00 PM
Speaking of loud sudden percussive, did you catch any when you had your 80s-90s rap whim going, LMG? I can imagine some NWA might run a few of those LMs off LOL
You know it. That stuff gets them jumping. ~beer~
Quote from: LgMouthGambler on October 30, 2017, 01:54:45 PM
You know it. That stuff gets them jumping. ~beer~
LWA- Largemouths With Attitude
Quote from: cport on October 30, 2017, 01:58:04 PM
LWA- Largemouths With Attitude
~roflmao ~roflmao ~roflmao ~roflmao ~roflmao
Was hanging out with EZ Pea.
Quote from: LgMouthGambler on October 30, 2017, 10:23:51 AM
Fish dont care bout line, music, or noise. They dont know any better. I caught a smallie this past weekend flipping a jig with braid, even after I was told I probably wouldnt get bit. I listen to music on the water, loud. And obviously fish with braid.
~c~ ~fff
Quote from: MarkusBett18 on October 30, 2017, 03:17:44 PM
~c~ ~fff
What do you listen to on the water, Markus? I know you are a youngin, but Please don't say "Imagine Dragons". If I here Believer one more time, I will snap! My kids tell Alexa to play it as soon as they get home.
I listen to the wind, birds chirping, water splashing against my kayak and the sound of bass peelin' my drag ~roflmao, (I don't listen to music, but if I did, Andre 3000, and Gucci Mane ~sweat)
Quote from: MarkusBett18 on October 30, 2017, 04:07:16 PM
I listen to the wind, birds chirping, water splashing against my kayak and the sound of bass peelin' my drag ~roflmao, (I don't listen to music, but if I did, Andre 3000, and Gucci Mane ~sweat)
Good answer Markus. Looks like you're a fan of those Atlanta rappers and trap. Thats pretty old school for a guy your age.
I prefer Talib Kweli, Common, Dilated Peoples, Little Brother, Murs, Madvillain, Aesop Rock, even some NAS when I am listening to the Hip Hops. ~bb But I don't Hip Hop when I am fishing. If I listen to music while fishing it's usually Country so I can get in tune with my redneck side. lo
Some of you guys are nuts (in a good way) :)
I guess we should figure out the best music for each technique. No Metallica with a drop shot, and no slow ballads burning a trap :P
Quote from: Fun4me on October 31, 2017, 09:23:50 AM
Some of you guys are nuts (in a good way) :)
I guess we should figure out the best music for each technique. No Metallica with a drop shot, and no slow ballads burning a trap :P
If you are burning a trap, you want And Justice For All on the player. \m/
I love music. I've got a little of everything, from Tchaikovsky, Mozart, Frank Sinatra, Metallica, AC/DC, some rap, some Country. REAL country, not this tractor rap bull spit.
When I'm fishing, the only music I listen to is the musical string of cussing my Drill Instructors schooled me in. And every now and then, some birds and gators.
Quote from: cport on October 31, 2017, 07:39:36 AM
Good answer Markus. Looks like you're a fan of those Atlanta rappers and trap. Thats pretty old school for a guy your age.
Haha thanks old school is the way to go
Man, I must be old... I don't know NONE of the stuff mentioned above, until we go to SteelHorseCowboys' "Tchaikovsky"...
I feel strongly that fish react to vibration, and sudden vibration can be a bad deal, I think. I imagine a LOT of anglers overlook that. A bunch of 'em.
HERE'S A SECRET- this one's so good that it's hard to tell ya'll. I mean it's KILLER. I catch all my big fish this way, plus most of my medium and little 'uns too.
Now I'm serious here.
If'n ya'll wanna catch BIG 'UNS, and I mean GOMERS, TANKS, TRUCKS and SOWBELLY HAWG JAWS, you need to be crankin' out some good old Southern Rock and Roll.
Pure-D FACT.
Well, except for you Yankees. I reckon that Molley Hatchet may not help you much. Maybe a little STYX, or JOURNEY?
Hope this helps. It's what I do.
I may be a Yankee but as a guitar player I cut my teeth on bands like the Allman Brothers, Lynryd Skynryd and others in the genre. Now I like me some Styx, and Journey too, but when it comes to fishing I never have music playing. Not because I believe it will affect the fish, but because I believe it would distract me too much. ;) ~shade
Quote from: Smallie_Stalker on November 07, 2017, 05:37:27 PM
I may be a Yankee but as a guitar player I cut my teeth on bands like the Allman Brothers, Lynryd Skynryd and others in the genre. Now I like me some Styx, and Journey too, but when it comes to fishing I never have music playing. Not because I believe it will affect the fish, but because I believe it would distract me too much. ;) ~shade
Dont stop believing Smallie. Lol
<")))>{
I thought braid getting peeled off going through guides was a music genres. ~bb
Quote from: Smallie_Stalker on November 07, 2017, 05:37:27 PM
I may be a Yankee but as a guitar player I cut my teeth on bands like the Allman Brothers, Lynryd Skynryd and others in the genre. Now I like me some Styx, and Journey too, but when it comes to fishing I never have music playing. Not because I believe it will affect the fish, but because I believe it would distract me too much. ;) ~shade
Of course you did. You can't help but listenin', and playin' to, the BEST.
I make fun of Yankees, then the Mississippi boys look at me and go "Say WHAT???".
Music is for the truck- Harry and Charlie used to call it "goin' to the Lake music". Haggard, Jones, Jennings, and of course Willie. Like it was said above- put you in touch with yer Redneck side.
I was makin' a little fun with my post, without trying to be mean. Stuff like this is what makes it hard for new guys. Don't sweat the small stuff, learn the fish, and keep it as simple as possible.
Until you get enough experience to know how to handle complicated.
Quote from: D.W. Verts on November 07, 2017, 08:53:05 PM
Of course you did. You can't help but listenin', and playin' to, the BEST.
I make fun of Yankees, then the Mississippi boys look at me and go "Say WHAT???".
Music is for the truck- Harry and Charlie used to call it "goin' to the Lake music". Haggard, Jones, Jennings, and of course Willie. Like it was said above- put you in touch with yer Redneck side.
I was makin' a little fun with my post, without trying to be mean. Stuff like this is what makes it hard for new guys. Don't sweat the small stuff, learn the fish, and keep it as simple as possible.
Until you get enough experience to know how to handle complicated.
Gots to include some Bocephus in the mix, too.
I thought them Yankees still listened to the Village People?
Quote from: D.W. Verts on November 07, 2017, 08:53:05 PM
I was makin' a little fun with my post, without trying to be mean. Stuff like this is what makes it hard for new guys. Don't sweat the small stuff, learn the fish, and keep it as simple as possible.
Until you get enough experience to know how to handle complicated.
You meant to say,"Until you get enough experience to know how to handle HILLBILLIES!" right? ;)
AND SHC.........Your going to go into my 'weekly' letter to our very Prominent Senator....Tammy Baldwin.
She knows how to deal with Discriminating Hillbillies! ~rant
~roflmao ~roflmao ~roflmao
Quote from: D.W. Verts on November 07, 2017, 05:15:58 PM
Man, I must be old... I don't know NONE of the stuff mentioned above, until we go to SteelHorseCowboys' "Tchaikovsky"...
I feel strongly that fish react to vibration, and sudden vibration can be a bad deal, I think. I imagine a LOT of anglers overlook that. A bunch of 'em.
HERE'S A SECRET- this one's so good that it's hard to tell ya'll. I mean it's KILLER. I catch all my big fish this way, plus most of my medium and little 'uns too.
Now I'm serious here.
If'n ya'll wanna catch BIG 'UNS, and I mean GOMERS, TANKS, TRUCKS and SOWBELLY HAWG JAWS, you need to be crankin' out some good old Southern Rock and Roll.
Pure-D FACT.
Well, except for you Yankees. I reckon that Molley Hatchet may not help you much. Maybe a little STYX, or JOURNEY?
Hope this helps. It's what I do.
I like Celtic Women, the Chieftains, and other celtic music. Of course bagpipes turn the big ones on too!!!
Rodney
Quote from: analfisherman on December 29, 2017, 07:53:50 AM
You meant to say,"Until you get enough experience to know how to handle HILLBILLIES!" right? ;)
AND SHC.........Your going to go into my 'weekly' letter to our very Prominent Senator....Tammy Baldwin.
She knows how to deal with Discriminating Hillbillies! ~rant
~roflmao ~roflmao ~roflmao
Discriminating Hillbillies? I make as much fun of them as I do of Yankees! I'm an equal opportunity offender!
Quote from: Oldfart9999 on December 29, 2017, 09:01:42 AM
I like Celtic Women, the Chieftains, and other celtic music. Of course bagpipes turn the big ones on too!!!
Rodney
Here ya go!
https://youtu.be/K-Op1Mng4oY
I've caught some big fish with the group "Alabama" blaring from my stereo. Of course, Missouri IS a southern state. It just got captured early in the War of Northern Aggression.
Wizard
Wizard
Quote from: Oldfart9999 on December 29, 2017, 09:01:42 AM
I like Celtic Women, the Chieftains, and other celtic music. Of course bagpipes turn the big ones on too!!!
Rodney
Interestingly enough, that "Hillbilly" bluegrass includes influence from Celtic music.
I do like a bit o' Celtic and Gaelic music. Connie's recently gotten into it.
How bout this fella from Iceland?
He does some music in his native language of Icelandic, which came up as a suggestion by Youtube while Connie was showing me some more Gaelic music.
This is NOT one of those. It could come as a surprise to some who don't realize how popular Delta Blues is overseas.
https://youtu.be/p-Bzuuw-qiE
Quote from: SteelHorseCowboy on December 29, 2017, 11:24:13 AM
I do like a bit o' Celtic and Gaelic music. Connie's recently gotten into it.
How bout this fella from Iceland?
He does some music in his native language of Icelandic, which came up as a suggestion by Youtube while Connie was showing me some more Gaelic music.
This is NOT one of those. It could come as a surprise to some who don't realize how popular Delta Blues is overseas.
https://youtu.be/p-Bzuuw-qiE
Good stuff, SHC. I like how they made it sound like it was being played from an old record.