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One of these beauties is mine. Just arrived in Korea today, hoping I can get it installed this weekend.

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Ooh ooh!!

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Rot Roh... gonna be hard to keep up with you now :shocking:

there can be only one?

;D

~c~

 ~shade ~c~


very nice

Awesome Steve!

Congrats on the new equipment.  Can't wait to see the install video and some on the water views.

Thank you guys  8)

Quote from: Donald Garner on November 24, 2020, 04:31:25 PM
Congrats on the new equipment.  Can't wait to see the install video and some on the water views.

Same here Donald. I have been on a couple of boats that have this technology. It's amazing!

I got the new system installed in my boat on Saturday. It took me about 2 hours in total. I was taking my time and double checking each step before moving forward with the next step. Plus it was very cold outside where my boat is parked (didn't even reach 40f)  :blue

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I have heard a lot of horror stories that mention the transducer cable is weak and damages really easily.

I had the GoPro running throughout the install, but I don't think the footage will be good enough to make into a proper video. We'll see after I check the footage.

I got on the water on Sunday just to see how it looks and works. It was a very cold and windy day, so I couldn't play around with it as much as I wanted, but I went to a spot where I have been catching a LOT of small bass that are schooling up on a deep main lake point. I was able to catch a few small ones using my 2D sonar (fishing vertically) as I did the week before, then I turned on the LiveScope and was able to see the fish moving around on the point and even follow my lure down as it fell to the bottom. Really awesome to see.
For sure, I was able to catch a few extra fish because of the LiveScope that I don't think I would have without it.

More playing to come over the coming weekends, hopefully will get better weather to actually play around with it.


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I know it ain't right, but I'm jealous. LOL

Don't be jealous, just get one  ~roflmao

I know there are some who would say it's not really "fishing" if you have all the newest electronics.  They are entitled to their opinion.  I say it's awesome and I'm super happy with mine.

Congrats on the new toys BK.  I hope you enjoy them as much as I do.

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I ordered my Garmin kit yesterday. Hopefully I can order the Ultrex next week.

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I will be ordering one for my boat in a week or two.  Thinking about replacing all of my electronics while Im at it, and will be adding power poles at the same time.   

Quote from: Nutt on December 01, 2020, 09:07:02 AM
I will be ordering one for my boat in a week or two.  Thinking about replacing all of my electronics while Im at it, and will be adding power poles at the same time.

Don't wait too long, the 93sv is $400 off at BPS right now.

Quote from: Mike Cork on December 01, 2020, 09:11:33 AM
Don't wait too long, the 93sv is $400 off at BPS right now.

I may miss out on the sale, but that is out of my control for now.  Not sure when the sale will end, but I wont be ready until at least the 10th.

Guys I'm pretty sure the $1875 price is still valid. Thats the 93sv and the livescope kit.  If anyone wants me to find out shoot me a pm. I think the rebate expired at midnight but im not totally sure.

Mike is spot on about BPS.
93SV $600. Last I looked the livescope kit was $1500.

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Quote from: FD on December 01, 2020, 07:10:28 AM
I know there are some who would say it's not really "fishing" if you have all the newest electronics.  They are entitled to their opinion.  I say it's awesome and I'm super happy with mine.

Congrats on the new toys BK.  I hope you enjoy them as much as I do.

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I totally agree with you FD. If I don't keep up with the game then I'm falling behind. As a tournament angler I need to keep up with those that have the latest and greatest. The majority of Korean tournament anglers now have LiveScope and some even have LiveScope AND HB360   :surrender:

Gene, Nutt, congrats on almost having your new toys  ~c~

Guys the Garmin package sale is over. Sorry guys I tried.

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Quote from: Bassinkorea on December 01, 2020, 04:34:00 PM
I totally agree with you FD. If I don't keep up with the game then I'm falling behind. As a tournament angler I need to keep up with those that have the latest and greatest. The majority of Korean tournament anglers now have LiveScope and some even have LiveScope AND HB360   :surrender:

You are already falling behind with that Livescope. You will be replacing that with a Lowrance Active Target once you see the images it does.

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No different than a computer, obsolete when you buy them.

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I heard Lowrance would be letting it go soon, but man I'm so done with Lowrance Customer Service.

Since the Garmins on the shelves here in Louisiana are on clearance I have to assume that Garmin is also updating their stuff. 

Thats why I bought the Garmin. Customer service is just impossible. I'm very disappointed at the fish reveal upgrade. It shows the same as sonar. I might sell both my Lowrance HDS 9 Units. I'll know when I have the Garmin beside the Lowrance. Me and Jacob Wheeler....one unit from every company!

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Well all the pros used to say that Lowrance had the best mapping, Hummingbird had the best structure scan with the 360, and of course garmin with the livescope. I'll bet Garmin's next product is over the top on all three...

I want what the Navy is using right now, that's where all this stuff comes from anyway ~roflmao

Quote from: Mike Cork on December 02, 2020, 01:23:49 PM
Well all the pros used to say that Lowrance had the best mapping, Hummingbird had the best structure scan with the 360, and of course garmin with the livescope. I'll bet Garmin's next product is over the top on all three...

I want what the Navy is using right now, that's were all this stuff comes from anyway ~roflmao

Pull them strings Mike!!!

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Air Force versus Navy... I did spent 10 months at a Naval installation :-*

Quote from: Mike Cork on December 03, 2020, 09:21:02 AM
Air Force versus Navy... I did spent 10 months at a Naval installation :-*

I'm teaching a retired Navy/Marine doctor to bass fish....(insert me teaching anyone to fish comments
___________.) Maybe he can help!

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Quote from: geneinnc on December 03, 2020, 09:28:10 AM
I'm teaching a retired Navy/Marine doctor to bass fish....(insert me teaching anyone to fish comments
___________.) Maybe he can help!

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:-* Can't hurt to put a gun to his head and force him to make a call :-*

Wow, congratulations

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Next Generation

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Next Generation

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~roflmao ~roflmao ~roflmao ~roflmao

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Next Generation

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Quite possibly!! :-)

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https://fishingtackleretailer.com/lowrance-launches-revolutionary-activetarget-live-sonar/

Here is Lowrance's new product!!

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And this is Hummingbirds response. Same basic stuff as Lowrance.
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I was going to go with the Garmin but I like what I've seen do far on the Lowrance and the new Hummin bird . Have to wait and see the actual on the water reviews.
No shock that they all retail at the same price.

I would have a real concern about Lowrance.  Their practice of rapid planned obsolescence is not in keeping with long term support of their products.  They are just too quick to tell you to buy the next newest thing.  I would like to see more companies make statements about  the longevity of after sales support and repair availability.  Lowrance has not demonstrated that in recent years if you believe what is often written about them and their serviceability over time.

Another thing I saw posted about the Humminbird MEGA LIVE is you can mark and display waypoints on the LIVE view just like you can on the 360 view.

Quote from: Wayne P. on December 05, 2020, 04:33:51 PM
Another thing I saw posted about the Humminbird MEGA LIVE is you can mark and display waypoints on the LIVE view just like you can on the 360 view.

That would be awesome, the biggest complaint I've heard about the live imaging is how hard it is to keep on point on windy days, if you had a way point on screen that would make it much easier.

Quote from: Mike Cork on December 07, 2020, 10:14:21 AM
That would be awesome, the biggest complaint I've heard about the live imaging is how hard it is to keep on point on windy days, if you had a way point on screen that would make it much easier.

I was doing Auto Chart Live at a local lake and marked this rock using the Side Imaging view. Went back the next day to do some more mapping and when I got somewhat close to the waypoint on the Chart view, I turned on the MEGA 360 to check it out:

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It appears my Garmin thread has been derailed somewhat.

There has been some great discussions regarding the "other" options on the market or coming to the market soon and would make for great topics in their very own threads  <====   :-* :-* ~shade

The only problem is everybody keeps trying to out do the rest and so the costs keep going up. Many times the average guy gets stuck between a rock and a hard place if he is a tournament angler, his equipment costs can out strip his ability to pay.
Rodney

Quote from: Bassinkorea on December 08, 2020, 04:37:38 PM
It appears my Garmin thread has been derailed somewhat.

There has been some great discussions regarding the "other" options on the market or coming to the market soon and would make for great topics in their very own threads  <====   :-* :-* ~shade

Sorry bout that BK...  :(

Do you have any video of your unit in action.... keep it clean, I'm talking about Live Scope  :shocking:

I thought I would never own a livescope, until I tried one. Something about watching fish interact with my lure just clicked.  I'm an admitted electronic junkie, so maybe that's the attraction.

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Quote from: Mike Cork on December 09, 2020, 10:30:45 AM
Sorry bout that BK...  :(

Do you have any video of your unit in action.... keep it clean, I'm talking about Live Scope  :shocking:

~roflmao ~roflmao

I don't yet. I checked on the interweb and in the manual and it appears that I should be able to record the screen in action, but I couldn't figure it out last weekend. I will work on it.
If I can't figure it out I will just record it with my GoPro or phone.

I plan to make a YouTube video on it.

Quote from: geneinnc on December 09, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
I thought I would never own a livescope, until I tried one. Something about watching fish interact with my lure just clicked.  I'm an admitted electronic junkie, so maybe that's the attraction.

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Same here Gene. It's amazing to watch a fish swim up to your lure. Sometimes they bite it sometimes they don't. Makes you wonder how many bass have turned down your lures at the last minute in the past.

Quote from: geneinnc on December 09, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
I thought I would never own a livescope, until I tried one. Something about watching fish interact with my lure just clicked.  I'm an admitted electronic junkie, so maybe that's the attraction.

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As much as I hate to admit it, this will happen to me. I put off new carpet this Fall for a perceived need for more defensive tools. I expect I'll put off new carpet next Fall for a new Livescope setup.

Quote from: Bassinkorea on December 10, 2020, 01:46:55 AM
Same here Gene. It's amazing to watch a fish swim up to your lure. Sometimes they bite it sometimes they don't. Makes you wonder how many bass have turned down your lures at the last minute in the past.

Oh man yeah I still wonder about close calls, and was it something I botched? We actually went to the marina and got a dozen shiners to see test that theory after the bite stopped. Fish immediately came in to LOOK but not bite the live bait. When the fish started pushing the shiners that was that. Sure was an eye opener to me. My livescope might be here tomorrow and I'll hook it up and try to get used to it. I hope it has a simulation mode like my Lowrance units. That saves so much time on a new finder.

I'm going to mount the LIVESCOPE beside the HDS and video and post it up for you guys to share your opinion. I really hope what I been seeing on the Lowrance was really fish. If I wasted a year chasing ghost images I'm going to really be upset.

I'm going to head out and check water conditions. Maybe a good report for a change.

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What are you guys with Live scope using for a mounting system with the 360 crank, the transducer that is?  Side mount?  Bow mount?

Nothing really interesting, but here's a shot with the trolling motor / transducer facing backwards. The prop of my motor is right there at 6 meters behind.

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that's cool. I didn't realize it could she such shallow items.

Boys i got schooled today! My buddy that talked me into Livescope and the Ultrex took me fishing today. All I heard all day was "fish following, he backed off! Here's another fish on!!!!!

Final score: Robbie: 10
                      Gene:      0

I'm fishing the same water fishing with the same lures!!

Robbie NEVER TOOK HIS EYES OFF THE SCREEN. Video game fishing at its finest. I CAN NOT WAIT til mine arrives.

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Forgive me for my comment but there is something very sad about this kind of fishing.

Quote from: Mike Cork on December 13, 2020, 10:55:32 AM
that's cool. I didn't realize it could she such shallow items.

Mike, the transducer angle can be changed easily just by twisting it to give you several different angles. In that photo it was just in regular forward facing position. Just by twisting it a few notches, it gives you a "down" view to see an equal angle both forward and behind the sensor.

Not to me Bud. It might be my engineering background but I love an edge in most anything I do.

I see where you're coming from though. If I was just fishing for fun, there is no way I would spend the money. Bottom line is it's going to be very difficult to compete without it. It's not going away, too many people have it. Is it any different than putting live wells with aeration in our boats to keep fish alive?
Trolling motors with GPS and spot lock?

Everything is subjective I guess?

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Quote from: Bud Kennedy on December 13, 2020, 05:36:38 PM
Forgive me for my comment but there is something very sad about this kind of fishing.

What would that be?  Do you use a scope on your rifle when you hunt?  Do you use a range finder?  Binoculars?
I guarantee you there will be plenty of days when a fisherman with Live Scope gets skunked.

Quote from: Bassinkorea on December 10, 2020, 01:44:46 AMI don't yet. I checked on the interweb and in the manual and it appears that I should be able to record the screen in action, but I couldn't figure it out last weekend. I will work on it.
If I can't figure it out I will just record it with my GoPro or phone.

I plan to make a YouTube video on it.

BK, with the Echomap Plus units, you can not record Livescope. Only recording on that unit is the 2d sonar. You would have to stepup to the GPSMap series to record Livescope from the unit. Otherwise you will have to setup your camera or phone looking at the screen as you mentioned.

Quote from: fishin couillon on December 13, 2020, 08:35:30 PM
BK, with the Echomap Plus units, you can not record Livescope. Only recording on that unit is the 2d sonar. You would have to stepup to the GPSMap series to record Livescope from the unit. Otherwise you will have to setup your camera or phone looking at the screen as you mentioned.

Yes correct. I tried everything this weekend to try and record the screen and I finally realized it is not possible. I will do it the old school way and position a camera in front the unit and do my best to not get any glare and shadows on the recording.

Quote from: lockinload on December 13, 2020, 06:36:15 PM
What would that be?  Do you use a scope on your rifle when you hunt?  Do you use a range finder?  Binoculars?
I guarantee you there will be plenty of days when a fisherman with Live Scope gets skunked.

I am kind of an old fashion sort of guy that respects the way things used to be done.  Know the water, the forage, the flora, and basic habitat.  Then go fishing.  I think the new electronics are awesome for someone who may be a competitive angler.  I am not one of those.  Just a person fishing to enjoy the sport for what it is.  Most likely that is because of my age and the desire to take things easy and as they come so to speak. 

Nope, I don't hunt or have a rifle so no scope needed.  Don't have rangefinder optics of any type.  Just basic electronics on my boat that I really don't pay much attention to except for depth, temperature and a bit of down scan. More of a navigation tool for me I guess.

The reason I think some items are sad is the statement where someone spent the day staring at the electronics.  That would defeat my whole reason to be on the water just to enjoy the beauty of nature and to celebrate the simple things of life.  The only competition in my boat is between me and the fish and thats it.  The fish usually wins but I don't mind a bit for the most part.

Quote from: Bud Kennedy on December 13, 2020, 09:05:10 PM
I am kind of an old fashion sort of guy that respects the way things used to be done.  Know the water, the forage, the flora, and basic habitat.  Then go fishing.  I think the new electronics are awesome for someone who may be a competitive angler.  I am not one of those.  Just a person fishing to enjoy the sport for what it is.  Most likely that is because of my age and the desire to take things easy and as they come so to speak. 

Nope, I don't hunt or have a rifle so no scope needed.  Don't have rangefinder optics of any type.  Just basic electronics on my boat that I really don't pay much attention to except for depth, temperature and a bit of down scan. More of a navigation tool for me I guess.

The reason I think some items are sad is the statement where someone spent the day staring at the electronics.  That would defeat my whole reason to be on the water just to enjoy the beauty of nature and to celebrate the simple things of life.  The only competition in my boat is between me and the fish and thats it.  The fish usually wins but I don't mind a bit for the most part.

I get what you are saying to a certain point but let's not forget, we catch and release for the most part.  It's not like its raping the waters of fish.  I have never used live scope but what an awesome tool and I do plan on getting one soon. 

If it's mounted on the TM shaft, how does the motor not block part of the straight down view? Mine isn't here yet but researching mounting options. Thanks

Quote from: Pro Reel on December 31, 2020, 05:46:35 PM
If it's mounted on the TM shaft, how does the motor not block part of the straight down view? Mine isn't here yet but researching mounting options. Thanks

I responded to you in the other thread, but basically the transducer has a slight offset angle.

I uploaded a very short clip of my very first use of the LiveScope with it's factory settings and my absolute lack of knowledge with this new system, and you can see just how good and useful this system really is.


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Guys if you are wanting to try livescope at sometime BPS shipped my Garmin ECHOMAP UHD 93SV yesterday after several weeks of taking my order then canceling it, I tried again and got the shipping confirmation yesterday.

Half price $599. Its a really nice unit with the UHD even without Panoptix. If you ever decide to buy the Livescope you are ready to go.

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Ordered my livescope yesterday. 93usv, ships on Monday.  $2129.00 seems like a decent price for the bundle.

Quote from: lockinload on January 09, 2021, 06:58:02 AM
Ordered my livescope yesterday. 93usv, ships on Monday.  $2129.00 seems like a decent price for the bundle.

That's one of the best prices I've heard of. Congratulations :toot:

Gonna be a while for me, Christmas left my fishing funds account flattened  :'(

NM

Quote from: Mike Cork on January 10, 2021, 01:40:41 PM
That's one of the best prices I've heard of. Congratulations :toot:

Gonna be a while for me, Christmas left my fishing funds account flattened  :'(

GPS store, they had it for $2099.00 before Christmas with a $200.00 rebate but I couldn't get the funds together and when I finally had the money they were sold out and had to wait for the fish finders to come back into stock.  I just got my shipping confirmation...It's on its way gentlemen.  Tomorrow I'm going to run some power to the bow and get er ready for install.  One last component to buy,
https://stowawaymounts.com/  and boat should be complete and ready to slay....well other than the lower I'm waiting for from Mercury/China/BFE.

Quote from: lockinload on January 11, 2021, 06:43:48 PM
I just got my shipping confirmation...It's on its way gentlemen.  Tomorrow I'm going to run some power to the bow and get er ready for install.

Great news, I'm happy for you. Can't wait to see your setup  ~c~

I should have ordered the Livescope instead of the Elite FS with the Active Target bundle.  I have no idea when I will receive mine.  Looks like Lowrance got in over their head and took all of these orders to compete with Garmin with no clue how they were going to fill them.  It was supposed to take a couple of weeks, but now, the website where I bought it says possibly by April.  I would cancel and order the Garmin, but I already bought a 12" Lowrance graph for the console so I could have everything linked together.

I have everything here to do the project.....save a boat that runs..
Mobile Marine had 25 jobs before they even start on mine. Unacceptable. I checked with Rivers Edge and they are a stocking Suzuki dealer now. I told them the problem, the age on my 150 and they never hesitated. My fishing buddy towed me in this morning and I barely made it. $45 prop nut and 3 blade prop sleeps with the fishes! Expensive morning. I decided on Ultrex, Garmin ECHOMAP uhd 93sv livescope and a 2nd 93sv on the console.

I have not decided if I'm keeping the Lowrance HDS 9 units or selling them. I have all 4 might as well use them. I finally got the Lowrance dialed in and the fish reveal upgrade made a huge difference. No I can't see a live view of the fish moving but it shows bait really nicely now and the arches are hugely improved.

I cannot wait!

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Has anybody used both the livescope forward and perspective views yet, and do you have a preference and why?

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Has anybody used both the livescope forward and perspective views yet, and do you have a preference and why?

I have powered up both units on a 12V ham radio power supply trying to get used to a non Lowrance product. Ill see if thats possible in Garmin's demo mode.

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Quote from: skeeter_bite on January 14, 2021, 09:31:40 AM
Has anybody used both the livescope forward and perspective views yet, and do you have a preference and why?

I have....they both have their time and place.....forward lets you see the whole water column in any depths as you scan around.....perspective gives you more of a wide view in shallow water. You can see fish in both views.....with the Garmin perspective bracket, you cant adjust so its better to use in 10' or less, the deeper you go it will just give you the water column with no bottom. There are 3rd party brackets that would allow you to adjust the angle while in perspective mode and use in deeper water....i had the bracket since it came out and use forward more than perspective.

Quote from: skeeter_bite on January 14, 2021, 09:31:40 AM
Has anybody used both the livescope forward and perspective views yet, and do you have a preference and why?

I have not used the perspective mode yet, but I do have the bracket and will be installing it soon. I fish deep water mostly, but perspective mode will/should come in handy during the spring / spawn.

Okay, now what about battery life. I've heard from some that you might not want to run panoptix on the starting battery. I've got a 4 battery system, 3 dedicated to TM. Is panoptix going to drain the starting battery? I'm already running the biggest deep cycle AGM batteries you can get. Now I'm wondering if I should get a 5th battery just for electronics.

I have heard the same thing about power drain. The few times that I have used mine I was out for a full day with the Livescope running alongside 2 and sometimes 3 Lowrance HDS units, which are all wired into my LI cranking battery and I've not had any issues. Saying all that, I haven't used this in a tournament with livewell pumps running, so time will tell.

I always keep a jump box and jump cables in the boat.

My experience with battery:  I only have 2 units and LS. Unit on console will either be powered down or put in sleep mode when fishing. Bow stays on as well as LS. I also have a large AGM 31 battery, its going on 4 yrs old and i have not had any issues. Last 4 trips were crappie fishing and that was 9 hrs. each trip using the 12" unit/LS on bow, only cranking the big motor to move to another spot and back to landing which is not enough to really charge battery.  No issues with power loss....

I think in situations where guys are complaining about their batteries going dead dont have correct size battery, its old, or has 10 units (sarcasm) turned on.  Just my thoughts on that.

After getting my Livescope installed yesterday I realize there is no ON/OFF switch on the black box and it is hooked straight to the starting bat.  Anyone know if that thing is drawing power while in an idle situation?  Maybe the fish finder turns it on? 

There is some draw.  As per instructions, an on/off switch is recommended. 

Retired grass grower

Quote from: ring fry on January 16, 2021, 07:33:17 AM
There is some draw.  As per instructions, an on/off switch is recommended. 

Retired grass grower

Hmmm, I did not see that in the instructions and was told by a reliable source that Garmin does not recommend an on/off switch.  He said he had one installed and then took it out after Garmin said not to use the switch. He is a Garmin distributor.  Not saying your wrong but, I suppose a call to Garmin is in order.

Installation instructions. Diagram on page 4, symbol above the battery-----https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1504716/Garmin-Panoptix-Livescope.html?page=4#manual

AND that power disconnect can be a boat's accessory switch, battery disconnect switch, or added switch on the black box's power cord.
Reading, comprehending, and following instructions seems to be a lost art.

Woop there it is. 

All my units and the Garmin black box is wired into my cranking battery main power switch, which gets switched off at the end of the day.

Quote from: Wayne P. on January 16, 2021, 10:41:29 AM
Installation instructions. Diagram on page 4, symbol above the battery-----https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1504716/Garmin-Panoptix-Livescope.html?page=4#manual

AND that power disconnect can be a boat's accessory switch, battery disconnect switch, or added switch on the black box's power cord.
Reading, comprehending, and following instructions seems to be a lost art.

Wow, you would think they might label that switch, for those of us with comprehension disorders, or actually included it in some kind of description in the instructions. I have a kill switch at the battery, not a problem, and my system is wired exactly as that schematic shows, question was, why there wasn't an On/Off switch on the black box.  Must not be that important.  BTW, I still don't understand the bottom right schematic, with the splice in the middle (#2).  This was the question I addressed Bassinkorea in a PM. That entire schematic is confusing or overkill at best.  Regardless, my system is installed and gets a shake down run today.

Quote from: Wayne P. on January 16, 2021, 10:41:29 AM

Reading, comprehending, and following instructions seems to be a lost art.

It's just not manly. ~roflmao ~roflmao
Rodney

STeve (wayne please chime in if you can)

you just made decision to go with panoptix/live scope.  I'm looking at the technology, but th inking for how I want to use it, for edges, cover identification, that the HB 360 might be the better tool for me.

did you work through that decision process?

I never even considered the HB 360. I just didn't want that big transducer added to my TM, and I have no experience with HB at all.

Other than that I have seen the Garmin system first hand on several other boats and just liled the entire system.

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Quote from: coldfront on January 29, 2021, 11:12:41 AM
STeve (wayne please chime in if you can)

you just made decision to go with panoptix/live scope.  I'm looking at the technology, but th inking for how I want to use it, for edges, cover identification, that the HB 360 might be the better tool for me.

did you work through that decision process?

Panoptix/Livescope/LiveSight/Active Target were never part of my decision, suspended species like crappie and spotted bass in deep water isn't my thing. Those accessories are better for that. I bass fish in less than 30' and seeing what stuff actually looks like and how fish relate to it is the benefit of 360/MEGA 360. The 360's are rotating Side Imaging transducers, they don't have the almost instant display update like the Garmin/Lowrance has, but I'll take shaper images over blurry. If Humminbird's MEGA LIVE will produce images like SI/DI then I may consider it.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Wb0X5qcM/20200309-164002.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jLdH5555)

Having both technologies is becoming popular.

You can't argue with what you doing there. Awesome images. How shallow can you build images like that?

thanks wayne.  as I'm thinking about my circumstances (cruising grass lines on river/channel ledges that may go down to 20-25 feet) having ability to line up a cast, get proper angle, etc  sure looked like the 'spatial' part of the 360 would best fit 'that'.  while still allowing ID of 'targets' in that cover as well.

regardless of direction, it's a lot of $$ to spend and then find out 'oh, I shoulda...'

Coldfront, I seem to remember that you were considering a new boat.  Have you given up on that idea in favor of some new electronics instead?

Quote from: Bud Kennedy on February 01, 2021, 08:19:15 AM
Coldfront, I seem to remember that you were considering a new boat.  Have you given up on that idea in favor of some new electronics instead?

bud, I want it all.   lo

actually getting closer all the time to pulling the trigger on a new boat.  have a few models on the short list.  if you like, I could start another thread on the options/process?

Quote from: coldfront on February 01, 2021, 10:36:51 AM
bud, I want it all.   lo

actually getting closer all the time to pulling the trigger on a new boat.  have a few models on the short list.  if you like, I could start another thread on the options/process?

I'm curious to see what boats are on your short list.

Quote from: Mike Cork on February 01, 2021, 07:30:52 AM
You can't argue with what you doing there. Awesome images. How shallow can you build images like that?

The 360 pod has to be above the bottom is all that is needed. It is a rotating Side Imaging transducer so its coverage is the same as Humminbird's Side Imaging===from the water's surface to past vertical under the transducer on both sides.
I took this screen shot last Spring when the bass were spawning. I had the trolling motor on the bottom acting like a shallow water anchor, the sonar transducer was buried in the bottom mud so there is no depth reading. I was looking for bass among the logs and stumps, saw some and caught some:

(https://i.postimg.cc/mDvf22HR/S00017.png) (https://postimages.org/)

The fishing buddy that turned me on to Garmin just added the Humminbird 360. You talk about an impressive bow display!

One thing I'm not clear on....The 360 just picks up structure and not fish? I'm still impressed we could pick up the remnants of a dam that was demolished when they flooded in lake Hickory

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Quote from: geneinnc on February 01, 2021, 11:18:38 AM
The fishing buddy that turned me on to Garmin just added the Humminbird 360. You talk about an impressive bow display!

One thing I'm not clear on....The 360 just picks up structure and not fish? I'm still impressed we could pick up the remnants of a dam that was demolished when they flooded in lake Hickory

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It's Side Imaging, it shows fish just the same whether it is used for 360 or Side Imaging.

This is using the MEGA 360 for SI, there's bass "over there"----

(https://i.postimg.cc/bNYN3cLz/S00167.png) (https://postimages.org/)

This is a lot of crappie relating to rocks-----

(https://i.postimg.cc/MGNPbg2t/S00111.png) (https://postimages.org/)

This shows the bass in the water column and their shadows on the bottom----

(https://i.postimg.cc/65Ry3xKb/S00054.png) (https://postimages.org/)

Bass after a school of shad-----

(https://i.postimg.cc/C5R9hhQf/S00145.png) (https://postimages.org/)

easy on the walleye icons there Wayne!   lo

always amazed:  I see fins!

Quote from: Wayne P. on February 01, 2021, 12:22:07 PM
It's Side Imaging, it shows fish just the same whether it is used for 360 or Side Imaging.

This is using the MEGA 360 for SI, there's bass "over there"----

(https://i.postimg.cc/bNYN3cLz/S00167.png) (https://postimages.org/)

This is a lot of crappie relating to rocks-----

(https://i.postimg.cc/MGNPbg2t/S00111.png) (https://postimages.org/)

This shows the bass in the water column and their shadows on the bottom----

(https://i.postimg.cc/65Ry3xKb/S00054.png) (https://postimages.org/)

Bass after a school of shad-----

(https://i.postimg.cc/C5R9hhQf/S00145.png) (https://postimages.org/)

Is this photos from your Humminbird or demo? Pretty awesome

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Quote from: geneinnc on February 01, 2021, 03:08:21 PM
Is this photos from your Humminbird or demo? Pretty awesome

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That is on three different lakes finding fish, "it's so easy a cave man can do it"

Quote from: Wayne P. on February 02, 2021, 10:09:49 AM
That is on three different lakes finding fish, "it's so easy a cave man can do it"

What setting ate you using on the SI and 360?

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Quote from: FD on February 02, 2021, 10:51:03 AM
What setting ate you using on the SI and 360?

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I don't know, never pay any attention to the numbers. I adjust according to the way the display looks and do it as often as needed.
Just remembering the three locations, the settings were different at every one because they needed to be.

Mainly Sensitivity and Contrast would be different.

Maybe I am the odd man out here, but I hate it -
Livescope I am not a fan of this technology.

It will change fishing and not in a good way, sure it will allow you to catch more fish, but really, what have you done ?
I do not see the skill involved in looking at a screen and putting a lure in a fishes mouth, it's like a video game.
I compare it to going to the supermarket on thanksgiving and picking out the biggest turkey -
or putting a feeder in your yard and stepping out your back door, shooting a deer and calling it hunting.

The fish that are already heavily pressured on your favorite lake will be under 100X more pressure once these units go down in price.
I also believe you will see the number of fish in these lakes will be going down as well, not everyone is a catch and release angler and the numbers and sizes being caught will be going up. I don't think the fish are going to be able to keep up once these units start to appear on more boats.

I have heard recently one local fisherman, who without this technology is a good fisherman, but has caught about 10 fish over the 10lb. mark using livescope in about a 1 month period. The thrill of catching these larger fish has to be diminished once you are using this technology- it has to be.

This is just my opinion on the technology, not a personal attack on anyone using it.

What have you learned? A new skill?

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