ROd ice up question

[Warpath]

I am planning on doing a little saugeye fishing this afternoon and I was wondering how to keep the ice from building up on the guides.  Hoe do you guys keep ice from forming?

Eric

[Fishaholic]

I put the tip in my mouth and breathe hot air on it...Lip says to use a little vasoline

[DAWG]

Keep it in the car  No really does Reel Majic workon the guides or how about WD-40 it does stand for water displacement

[Mike Noble]

I believe Reel Magic will help with that.

[Warpath]

Im afraid WD-40 would break down the line as well DAWG.

I figured someone from up north would know the answer to this.

Eric

[bass1cpr]

     This is one of the good uses of reel saver lube. Spray the guides the night before you go fishing, then reaply during the day. Usually I just dip the rod and tap it to kick off the water.

[Ouachita]

The reel spray didn't last more than maybe 15 minutes last winter, but it does prevent ice-up until washed off. The water is much warmer than the air, so I run the rod into the water for 5-10 seconds to warm it up, then can get 15-20 minutes fishing before having to dip again. Once it got to the point ice clogged every 5 minutes, and my partner sure was glad when I announced it was time to go home. I was glad he agreed.

Jim

[OHbassaholic]

Use a little MegaStrike on the guides and come back to let us all know how it worked for you. 

[Creel Limit Zero]

There are several de-icer pastes out there that fly fisherman use for keeping their guides free of ice.  I've used Loon Outdoor's de icer paste on my fly line and guides, and works pretty good.  Problem is it does come off and you have to continually reapply.  Best thing to do is stay home and sit in front of the fireplace.   

[LoonyToon]

  If you really want to do some fishing Creel go see Debbie or Brice at Arundel Mills and see if they will let you play in their tank?

[Pferox]

I have used Silicone based jelled lubricants on many items which need to be kept ice free, the only concern I may have with it is that it is a toxic.

One that may be pricy but will last a long time can be gotten from Staples, or Office Max. It is Xerox 4500, or 6500 fuser lubricant, it is a thick lube and takes a small amount, when warm it will spread and migrate and is slicker than snot.

Big caution.....Do not get it on the floor, you will be falling on your butt for months, and you will need something like paint thinner to cut the stuff.

It is not water soluable, and will waterproof just about anything. I have had one tube for about 5 or 6 years now and it is still going strong.

[Mike Cork]

Pferox69 it is obvious that a little bit of this stuff will go along way. Is it oderless and colorless? If so I can think of a ton of uses to go along with rod guides

[Creel Limit Zero]

If you really want to do some fishing Creel go see Debbie or Brice at Arundel Mills and see if they will let you play in their tank?

Now that sounds like fun. 

[Pferox]

MIke, its the stuff that is used to keep the paper and ink from sticking to the heat rollers on copying machines. It is clear or more like translucent in the tube.
I've never noticed an order, except the normal scent of silicone, it will thin in the heat, but stays thick when cold, so its not a good thing to use for lubing reels when using it in colder weather.

I have used it for lots of things from lubing reels in hot weather to waterproofing boots, but don't get it on the soles because you will be ice skating on the tarmak, and if you leave footprints on the kitchen floor, Laurie will be able to slide across the kitchen like on roller skates for months.

[Mike Cork]

  Ice skating in the kitchen might be fun to watch.

I was thinking that it would be good for rod eyelets year round, even though it might be a small amount it could help with casting distance. But a big advantage I see is reducing friction on the line when you are fighting a large fish. The Friction in the eyelets and heat that is generated will weaken your line and this could prevent all that.

[Pferox]

OH yea Mike, it would work great for that, as it heats up it continually gets thinner and slicker, it can take over 400 degrees of heat but it would migrate to the line which would might be both good and bad, don't know if it will make the line too slick to hold a knot.

[topcat]

Pferox could you give a little more detail on the way you apply it to your line and rod...and what damange can occur from the use of this...... other than sliding in the kitchen.....Which my wife might not be pleased with......

I am glad to see this topic...I quit fishing for catfish...in the winter months because of this ice problem......and can you also use this on your throw net.....I have had them to freeze on me...I am a bass fisherman but love to fish for big cats in the winter.......

Topcat

[Pferox]

Topcat, I haven't used this for rods, but have used it for other items that I didn't want to ice up, including door locks, and most moving parts that are prone to freezing, based on it's properties and the way it works it seems a good choice for this type of application.

I would put a small amount on a little rag, and smear or wipe it on the guides, you usually can see the coverage because it will be shiny.
You would apply it in the same manner to the line, pay out the line, put a little lube on the rag, and reel the line back on to the spool, although I doubt you will need to do this because the line will pickup the lube from the guides.
I do suggest using rubber gloves to keep that stuff off of your hands, and out of your eyes as much as possible, especially when applying it.

I don't know about using it for a cast net, that would take alot of wiping down, and it doesn't dry so it will still migrate from the net and get all over everything.

This is basically a hi temperature silicone lubricant, even though it is slick, it will look globby when cold if you put too much on. It has the consistency of something like 70 or 80 weight oil.

It works similarly to vaseline if you have ever tried to use that as a water proofer, you will still get water to freeze, but will flake off easily, usually with just the movement of the line because what is happening is the water is freezing around the guide, not to it.
Like any other lubricant, it will collect dust and unlike other lubes, it takes a long time to wear off.

It has all the benefits and drawbacks of silicone lubricant, collects dust, doesn't negatively effect most polymers, and leaves that slick feeling on everything it touches, it is toxic like most lubricants, and is real bad if you get it into your eyes, and it is expensive, but lasts a long time.

Where ever the there isn't lubricant  you will have ice adhere, of course.

I hope this helps a little, if you have any other questions or would like to discuss it further, we can keep going here or you can pm me.

[Sc Bassin]

K-Y jelly will work.

[silversalmon]

I use a silicone base oil spray on the rod tips. I do  apply to my ice fishin tip about an hour before I head out and never have to re-apply or have ice build up. This is even in 10 below 0 weather. It works great and lasts a long time, somethin about silicone, but like Pferox said, don't hit your floor with it

[Pferox]

Silicone products aren't rated by wether they fail or wash off or not, most of the time they are rated on how long it takes em to wear off, or their viscosity, or the amount of Silicone in the product.

The spray on stuff is good, but it can get messy with the overspray, thats why I like the stuff in the tube, only problem is that is hard to find unless you go to the fuser lubricants.

Another one that was great but I don't think is available anymore is the 4000 product family fuser lubricant, it came in a gallon jug and was liquid like a thin oil, man I used that instead of regular oil everywhere except in engines, I was too afraid to test it. 

[silversalmon]

That would work great too. Just dip the rod in the drum and you are ready to go Although, you spill that puppy, and it is ice saktin in the house

[Pferox]

When I was a specialist with those guys, I had to ok retyling a few copy rooms in my time because the stuff either leaked out of a machine or the tech oopsed, and didn't get it cleaned up right away.

I do have to admit it is fun to watch employees "skitch" across the floor. 

[scwildbill]

Pferox69 Well Done!!! ... Thanks for the information!!....

[Pferox]

I'm tryin to find either a linkie thingie or a pic but havin a tough time about it.

[Pferox]

Ok, got some info, the suggested products are as follows:
Xerox Part number 8R111, it costs about 23 bucks on average for a 290ml syring lookin kind of container, to me it is kind of a wastefull container, but its the only one I could find a pic for. It works like a caulking gun with a screw on the bottom, and like a caulking gun, there is always leakage or loss, and mess.



Part number 8R983, is basically the same stuff, but a tad thinner, and comes 2 200ml tubes per box for about the same price. 400ml is alot of silicone.

I used the 8R983 for quite a few years on almost everything I could think of.

I can only talk about the Xerox brand, many other companies make this lube for Xerox machines, but it is usually less lubricating.......but thats another war story.

[silversalmon]

Good show Pferox, I would have to agree, a lot of mess involved with that first one